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Switching to Amsteel

Maustypsu said:
Why are you guy not just using a flip line?
http://www.bartlettman.com/58-Inch-CABL ... p_786.html

I personally like my rope b/c I have it rigged up such that I have two exactly the same - ropeman on one end and loop with carabiner on the other. Either can be used for a tether or a linesman belt. I haven't yet seen a reason to upgrade. I will use the same set up on my tree hopper belt for prepping trees too.

but I have had a flipline in my wishlist for awhile and figured if I ever wanted more than my rope, I would end up with one of these.
Then I saw the Amsteel which looked like a similar concept so I followed the thread. Looks like it has a down side. So I am back to thinking I will stick with the rope but keep the flipline in the back of my mind.
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I am gonna try running a coated steel cable into the core of some Yale Bandit and see how it does for a flip line. I don't really want a big heavy flip line like an arborist would use, just something stiff enough that's easy to move up the tree. It will make the diameter of the rope a tad bigger I think but it should work (I think) :lol:
 
Maustypsu said:
Why are you guy not just using a flip line?
http://www.bartlettman.com/58-Inch-CABL ... p_786.html

I personally like my rope b/c I have it rigged up such that I have two exactly the same - ropeman on one end and loop with carabiner on the other. Either can be used for a tether or a linesman belt. I haven't yet seen a reason to upgrade. I will use the same set up on my tree hopper belt for prepping trees too.

but I have had a flipline in my wishlist for awhile and figured if I ever wanted more than my rope, I would end up with one of these.
Then I saw the Amsteel which looked like a similar concept so I followed the thread. Looks like it has a down side. So I am back to thinking I will stick with the rope but keep the flipline in the back of my mind.
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Too heavy. I bought one for practicing and getting comfortable with spurs, but its too heavy and bulky for hunting with.
 
redsquirrel said:
Maustypsu said:
Why are you guy not just using a flip line?
http://www.bartlettman.com/58-Inch-CABL ... p_786.html

I personally like my rope b/c I have it rigged up such that I have two exactly the same - ropeman on one end and loop with carabiner on the other. Either can be used for a tether or a linesman belt. I haven't yet seen a reason to upgrade. I will use the same set up on my tree hopper belt for prepping trees too.

but I have had a flipline in my wishlist for awhile and figured if I ever wanted more than my rope, I would end up with one of these.
Then I saw the Amsteel which looked like a similar concept so I followed the thread. Looks like it has a down side. So I am back to thinking I will stick with the rope but keep the flipline in the back of my mind.
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Too heavy. I bought one for practicing and getting comfortable with spurs, but its too heavy and bulky for hunting with.
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I haven't used one but I can imagine what a steel cable that size would weigh :lol: I'm pretty sure what I have in my head will work, if the smaller steel cable doesnt work I have another idea that might and be lighter. I'll let you all know what I come up with if it works. The rope I use now isn't terribly hard but it does want to catch on bark a good bit.
 
I don't think it's necessary at all. Packability is a major concern and even Bluewater assault line is more bulky than I would like.

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Re: RE: Re: Switching to Amsteel

kenn1320 said:
I think the flip line in the link is over kill and added weight, wouldnt be my choice. I use a LW rope tether for my lineman. Its small diameter, limp yet easy to toss around the tree if needed, and packs up tiny. Only reason Im looking to upgrade my tether to amsteel is the 7/16 assault line is too stiff and doesnt pack as small as I would like. While I will use the LW tether as a lineman belt, I will not hang from it in tether duty. Its designed to take a short fall and probably should be thrown away if that happens. I dont believe its rated for constant load day in and day out, but I could be wrong.
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Yup.
 
I got some 9mm ultra tech a few weeks ago. Super strong, light and packable. Thanks Red for the direction on that - good stuff
 
Ontariofarmer said:
I got some 9mm ultra tech a few weeks ago. Super strong, light and packable. Thanks Red for the direction on that - good stuff
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No problem. Brydan pointed me to it. Haven't used it in a tree yet but its looked great in all my testing so far.
 
OK, hope this is the best place for people to find this info. I marked up a picture and explained my intended use for saddle hunting using amsteel blue. I mentioned that I would have it under constant tension most of the time and the only shock it might experience is if I slipped and that might result in a 1ft drop and swing into the tree. I inquired about using 1/2"-7/16" amsteel blue as a tether with an eye splice on either end. I would wrap it around the tree, back through one of the eyes, effectively girth hitching it to the tree. I would install a ropeman 1 and use 1/4" amsteel blue with an eye spliced on one end and a sewn eye on the other and connect that to the main line with a carabiner. I explained I would twist and run the amsteel through that carabiner occasionally. He said strength wise I was fine, but he said the amsteel blue has such a high coefficient of drag that he felt the ropeman 1 would slip on it. He suggested for that rope that I contact sherrill or westspur for an arborist rope made of polyester that could handle the friction and grip pressure of the ropeman 1.

I mentioned others were using the ultra-tech 3/8" and I might go to that. He didnt comment, instead said go to the arborist websites mentioned above. I just replied specifically asking him about the ultra-tech for use as a tether in case it got lost in the emails. I will update when I hear from him.

UPDATE: He said the ultra-tech 3/8 would work well as a tether.
 
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Great post. I was thinking the same thing about using Amsteel as a tether. It works great as a bridge, but there are better options for tether. Thanks for tracking this down and posting!
 
For reference - this guy is lifting his jeep with 3/16 Amsteel Blue. That rope is rated at 5,400 lbs. Most of us are using 1/4 Amsteel Blue which is rated at over 8,000 lbs. Strength is not an issue with this stuff.

 
I personally don't care for it as a lineman's belt due to it snagging on bark so easily. If you use it I would sleeve it in cotton or polyester or it might make a lot of unwanted noise when you don't want it to. I still prefer a Lonewolf strap for a lineman's belt and my regular 11mm tree rope for a tether. I am experimenting with the 3/8 Sampson rope Red turned us on to and so far my ropeman one holds it well.
 
I agree. Amsteel isn't well suited for a lot of friction with the tree. I like it for a bridge and for strapping my platform to the tree. There's not much back and forth friction against the bark on those applications.
 
DaveT1963 said:
I personally don't care for it as a lineman's belt due to it snagging on bark so easily. If you use it I would sleeve it in cotton or polyester or it might make a lot of unwanted noise when you don't want it to. I still prefer a Lonewolf strap for a lineman's belt and my regular 11mm tree rope for a tether. I am experimenting with the 3/8 Sampson rope Red turned us on to and so far my ropeman one holds it well.
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Dave, back to our previous thoughts on the duck and its noise. What about just stealth stripping either the biner at its contact points or the inside of the duck? I was pondering this as I hunt last night and it should be a pretty simple fix.
 
redsquirrel said:
Dave, back to our previous thoughts on the duck and its noise. What about just stealth stripping either the biner at its contact points or the inside of the duck? I was pondering this as I hunt last night and it should be a pretty simple fix.
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I actually thought about that and may try it. I really like the stiffer rope and ropeman1 though as I can easily reposition it off the T Screw if I want to move it around tree - which I seldom do anymore. I may play with it this weekend if I get time. I really like that 3/8 inch Sampsom Ultra tech rope - that crap is incredible and so far my ropeman 1 is holding on to it really well.... that might be where I am going.
 
DaveT1963 said:
I actually thought about that and may try it. I really like the stiffer rope and ropeman1 though as I can easily reposition it off the T Screw if I want to move it around tree - which I seldom do anymore. I may play with it this weekend if I get time. I really like that 3/8 inch Sampsom Ultra tech rope - that crap is incredible and so far my ropeman 1 is holding on to it really well.... that might be where I am going.
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Ok, and yea I forgot that sometimes you take the slack off. I always have tension on mine so it doesn't slip. I have the ultra tech for my bridge, tether and lineman's belt and it is working great for all. In my testing with the ropeman1 it seems to be working well also, but obviously I can't recommend that.
 
I ordered 50ft of 1/4" silver amsteel today. Gonna do a bridge, 2 pieces for my platform and upgrade the ropes on my 3 Jim stepps. Im sticking with my assault line for my tether and lineman.
 
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