2tc vs one sticking

[LAKY]

What kind of stability issues are people having? Curious as I'm probably doing a little demo this weekend, I've been perfectly at home since I started trying 2tc( 1-stick as well for that matter)

For me, it was advancing the top tether while balancing on the foot tether. Different tree types and diameters change things. I think some of the guys who've made videos that make it look like walking up a tree (North Fourty and Scott Adkins come to mind) is so easy, you have to pay real close attention to the details. I think some of the details matter. Like Scott Adkins has his foot loop on one side of the tree and the other looped the opposite direction. Length of bridge, distance between foot tether top and foot, distance between top tether and bridge. There seems to be lots of details that make it easier, but are taken for granted. And, then you throw in the different tether types, foot loop types, bridge types, connection points, etc; it all gets overwhelming. I'm getting a lot better at it, but only after watching the littlest details in some of the videos. I've watched Scott Adkins videos over and over making mental notes of tether height compared to forehead, distance between steps, and move distances.

 

[mschultz373]

also: tree lean. not a ton of straight trees where I hunt, which makes things... interesting.

 

[boyne bowhunter]

Some people aren’t comfortable standing with one leg wrapped around the tree,

This is me.

Seriously though, one of the reasons I prefer one sticking is that I have a solid perch for both feet while I'm advancing my tether. Add the fact that I primarily move my tether with just my right hand and I've got three stable, solid points of contact while I'm doing it.

 

[Horn]

also: tree lean. not a ton of straight trees where I hunt, which makes things... interesting.

Sure does! As does a wet tree

Thanks all!

 

[tailgunner]

Wet leaners are no sweat for me the way i do it.no ballancing ,no tipy toe.its all in the details

 

[SNIPERBBB]

For me, it's the toe of my boot slipping off to one side or the other. Guessing it prolly depends a lot on what types of tree folks are climbing. Some obviously have better traction than other. Not uncommon around here to need to climb a willow, water or nutall oak and they are all hard tight bark that can be a little slick.

I don't use the tree for anything other than to put the ropes on. It's more a hindrance to me than a help. The foot loop is the thing that is supposed to be taking the weight. Not the tree. I turn my foot out away from the tree so it's not pushing my foot out of the foot loop.

 

[GeoFish]

When I get my new saddle, I may order Jerry's double foot loop and give it a try. With my old feet standing on one foot gets to me.

 

[krub6b]

I think some of the details matter. Like Scott Adkins has his foot loop on one side of the tree and the other looped the opposite direction.

I think this is a pretty big detail for foot loop stability, my foot loop girth hitch is on the left-ish side of the tree(7-8 o'clock). This help me keep my left foot directly under my left hip and improves balance. If your foot loop tether is dead center than you are going to be shifting to one side when transitioning your weight to one foot

 

[Chopper070]

I should be getting my rigid footloop from Jerry soon and im thinking it will be the sweet spot for me. Not quite as packable but probably a little more convenient to use. I can use the other one just fine but I want to compare and see which I am more comfortable with. Then it will be practice until season…

Being a newb this year with 2TC, I can say that once I stood up in the footloop and tried to raise the top tether the first few times, I felt very wobbly and somewhat unsafe. It's gotten better with a bit of practice and shortening the foot tether. And I think bigger trees make me feel more stable. I will say that my first climb ever with a saddle was one sticking and that felt so much more comfortable v. the first couple times with 2TC. That said, I think I'm sticking with 2TC for the upcoming season. Maybe people's body types play a role in it....I'm 6'2 with most of it in the legs.

 

[Chopper070]

For me, it was advancing the top tether while balancing on the foot tether. Different tree types and diameters change things. I think some of the guys who've made videos that make it look like walking up a tree (North Fourty and Scott Adkins come to mind) is so easy, you have to pay real close attention to the details. I think some of the details matter. Like Scott Adkins has his foot loop on one side of the tree and the other looped the opposite direction. Length of bridge, distance between foot tether top and foot, distance between top tether and bridge. There seems to be lots of details that make it easier, but are taken for granted. And, then you throw in the different tether types, foot loop types, bridge types, connection points, etc; it all gets overwhelming. I'm getting a lot better at it, but only after watching the littlest details in some of the videos. I've watched Scott Adkins videos over and over making mental notes of tether height compared to forehead, distance between steps, and move distances.

Wet leaners are no sweat for me the way i do it.no ballancing ,no tipy toe.its all in the details

Would love to see/read those details if you can share. I want to make this as easy as possible!

 

[Chopper070]

Another reason not to have your carabiner on your bridge.or to think that your twist lock isnt a false sence of security

Where else would you hook your carabiner?

 

[chaded]

Being a newb this year with 2TC, I can say that once I stood up in the footloop and tried to raise the top tether the first few times, I felt very wobbly and somewhat unsafe. It's gotten better with a bit of practice and shortening the foot tether. And I think bigger trees make me feel more stable. I will say that my first climb ever with a saddle was one sticking and that felt so much more comfortable v. the first couple times with 2TC. That said, I think I'm sticking with 2TC for the upcoming season. Maybe people's body types play a role in it....I'm 6'2 with most of it in the legs.

I actually don’t find any issues with standing up in the foot loop to move my top tether. My experience with one sticking has been the opposite in that I am far more comfortable with 2TC. Especially from a safety standpoint But the 2TC movements just feel more natural to me.

 

[tailgunner]

Where else would you hook your carabiner?

Not where i can hit it with my bow, release ,binos or body

 

[tailgunner]

Would love to see/read those details if you can share. I want to make this as easy as possible!

People get mad when i repost stuff...but i dont care sooooo....first bend your toes up the tree and use the tread on your shoeand put your knee against the tree so when you leg hook the tree with your other leg you are clamping the tree with your whole calf ,heal and knee .far more stable than trying to ballance with a strait leg and your tipy toe against the tree alone

 

[tailgunner]

When im raising my foot tether i put the botom of my shoe against the tree against my other knee still slightly gripping the tree with my other leg. .and my foot stays in the loopelastic top band to hold it on.

 

[mschultz373]

nice sewing on that foot loop!

 

[krub6b]

Where else would you hook your carabiner?

@tailgunner has his hitch attached to his bridge with no carabineer. I can't seem to find the last place he posted it, it's something I'm looking into adopting this year as well

*Found it

Benefits of a 1 piece saddle system

First is the safety of a simpler sysyem.i cant clip into the wrong spot,use the wrong rope,forget my tether,lose my tether in the woods or drop it from a tree.i cant hit my bow , release,or binos on the carabiner either.the bridge and tether act as 1 and dont come apart.

saddlehunter.com

 

[Jammintree]

You should lead the movement. @always89y , @tailgunner and you could all make some fantastic you tube tutorials and let’s all share it across our social media pages….. I know there are a few videos out there but a lot of manufacturers are gonna push the sale of sticks (or one stick set ups) for the money. We get enough on board, we probably could mainstream it. Personal opinion it’s because of what @BTaylor said… we need some better foot stirrup options for stability. As of now CGM has the best set up I’ve seen

We should start a Go Fund Me campaign to film and edit a video of these guys demonstrating various 2TC methods and gear.

 

[Marmuzz]

We should start a Go Fund Me campaign to film and edit a video of these guys demonstrating various 2TC methods and gear.

That’d be cool. But 2TC can be so body specific that it may just require ya to go inchworm with some tethers.

@gcr0003 has the most helpful videos I’ve found so far, and @Samcirrus if you like complicated hitches and gear experiments lol

 

[tailgunner]

Ha haahh....go fund redbeards kids's collège tuition...im just camera shy with a repulsive disposition and a punchable face...i dont know how to sound humble and i realy dont have time these days.i like my privacy and you tube is way outside of my comfort zone but i will see what i can do for the homies.