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2tc vs one sticking

boyne bowhunter said:
@tailgunner, if I hunted the terrain you do then I'd be all in on 2tc too. :tearsofjoy:

Fact of the matter is that where I hunt the worst hills are a 300ft change in elevation and there's very few places you can't drive to within 3/4 of a mile from. Under those circumstances I can manage to carry my one stick. ;)
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Plus you got camera gear.i know that not everybody has a need for ultralight run n gun gear .just like making it hard to get past me.......or the beast without paying the troll toll
 
I like my JX3 for comfort like I'm sitting in a stand, and I can carry my buck out with it. 2TC doesn't work well with it that I've found. Maybe if I did something like this video, it could work, but I still want something to stand on, so the JX3 stick/platform serves the purpose. I can't see how 2TC would make it better. If I didn't have to worry about comfort or packing a deer out without going back to the truck first, I might would gravitate to 2TC.
 
the main reason I am moving from one stick to 2TC is slack. when one sticking, you invariably end up standing on the stick with tons of slack in tether and a linesman belt only. most guys just say, that's how it is. but in the case of a failure... you probably would be okay, but it freaks me out.

also, metal. with one sticking, everything ends up hitting the stick. at least for me it did because I am cursed. if there is a way for a rope to get tangled or for something to bang against something else, it happened. no matter how slow or diligent I was.
 
LAKY said:
I like my JX3 for comfort like I'm sitting in a stand, and I can carry my buck out with it. 2TC doesn't work well with it that I've found. Maybe if I did something like this video, it could work, but I still want something to stand on, so the JX3 stick/platform serves the purpose. I can't see how 2TC would make it better. If I didn't have to worry about comfort or packing a deer out without going back to the truck first, I might would gravitate to 2TC.
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TLDR: Let's consider the impact of platform/ROS choice on this comparison, and the resulting mobility/comfort balance.
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Mostly with you here. Don't carry deer with it, but love the Hybrid for comfort. Never tried 2TC with it but doesn't seem like it would pair well. The wide top stick platform is a must IMO so why am I not going to just climb with it also?

The above is just specific to me and maybe other JX3 users. To the OP's question I think there is a missing piece in this discussion so far and that is your choice for your feet at height.

In my soft saddle days, I never tried 2TC cause I couldn't make it make sense. I'm never gonna use just an ROS (I have a 99.9% tree climb rate...not 20%). I'm using some kind of platform and therefore I want my platform to pull double duty (climb & stand). 2TC'ing only to slap a 3+ lb platform on the tree seemed silly.

I don't think 2TC seems hard at all. It reminds me of the hand climber days. I'm just not going that minimalist so what's the point? If I lived in Oregon, I can see going that route.

1-sticking hits the sweet-spot of combining mobility, comfort at height, and ease of use for eastern whitetail woods hunting, even if safety concerns are valid. I think that's why it has taken off among saddle hunters.

Even as new multi stick and platform weights improve and roughly equalize total weight I don't think 1-sticking will yield. Unpacking, removing from tree, and repacking all those sticks and platform is a lot more fiddle factor than 1-stick and a rope. It's just a highly efficient system assuming you accept the risks and want to use more than a ROS to hunt off of.

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TNSTAAFL said:
TLDR: Let's consider the impact of platform/ROS choice on this comparison, and the resulting mobility/comfort balance.
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Mostly with you here. Don't carry deer with it, but love the Hybrid for comfort. Never tried 2TC with it but doesn't seem like it would pair well. The wide top stick platform is a must IMO so why am I not going to just climb with it also?

The above is just specific to me and maybe other JX3 users. To the OP's question I think there is a missing piece in this discussion so far and that is your choice for your feet at height.

In my soft saddle days, I never tried 2TC cause I couldn't make it make sense. I'm never gonna use just an ROS (I have a 99.9% tree climb rate...not 20%). I'm using some kind of platform and therefore I want my platform to pull double duty (climb & stand). 2TC'ing only to slap a 3+ lb platform on the tree seemed silly.

I don't think 2TC seems hard at all. It reminds me of the hand climber days. I'm just not going that minimalist so what's the point? If I lived in Oregon, I can see going that route.

1-sticking hits the sweet-spot of combining mobility, comfort at height, and ease of use for eastern whitetail woods hunting, even if safety concerns are valid. I think that's why it has taken off among saddle hunters.

Even as new multi stick and platform weights improve and roughly equalize total weight I don't think 1-sticking will yield. Unpacking, removing from tree, and repacking all those sticks and platform is a lot more fiddle factor than 1-stick and a rope. It's just a highly efficient system assuming you accept the risks and want to use more than a ROS to hunt off of.

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2 tethers and a 3lb platform is lighter than or as light as most of the popular one sticks with a top platform. And offers more platform real estate. And a top tether is redundant in the argument of system weight, so it’s a 3lb platform and footloop tether vs one stick.
 
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I brought up 2 tether climbing on here 5 years ago in 2019. I did it. It worked but not as well for me as one sticking. Since then I’ve carried a long prusik loop to put on my lineman’s rope as needed, but like BTaylor I just use it as needed.

For me one sticking is simpler and easier, you just have to try both and figure it out as each applies to you.
 
Plebe said:
2 tethers and a 3lb platform is lighter than or as light as most of the popular one sticks with a top platform. And offers more platform real estate. And a top tether is redundant in the argument of system weight, so it’s a 3lb platform and footloop tether vs one stick.
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For sure, but to me that is hair splitting. The delta is insignificant to me, so I stick with my overall sweet spot argument. But that's just me. Someone with zero 2TC climbs under his belt. YMMV.

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LAKY said:
Come on guys. You have to admit climbing with a stick has a shorter learning curve. Bring a person who's never climbed before out to a tree and put a stick in front of them and two tethers. Ask them to climb up and grab that ribbon you tied at ten feet with whichever method they can figure out first.
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Let's do a test!
 
TNSTAAFL said:
For sure, but to me that is hair splitting. The delta is insignificant to me, so I stick with my overall sweet spot argument. But that's just me. Someone with zero 2TC climbs under his belt. YMMV.
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“1-sticking hits the sweet-spot of combining mobility, comfort at height, and ease of use for eastern whitetail woods hunting, even if safety concerns are valid. I think that's why it has taken off among saddle hunters.”

How is a one stick more mobile than a rope and platform that folds flat?
How is a one stick more comfortable at height than a bigger platform?
If, “I don't think 2TC seems hard at all”, how is a one stick easier to use than two tethers?

And…the safety concerns are valid.
 
I honestly believe it's a combo of what many have said already.
1st, Marketing. In an effort to keep it low cost by those who sell a kit (just us I think) and its ease to DIY, There are not a lot of marketing dollars. So, when new folks google "tree climbing" it hasn't been paid to boost in the algorithms.
2nd, It's not a pretty " item" that can be handed to an influencer and be put into action immediately and promoted.
3rd, The initial suck factor is high. For many, the reward does not justify the means.
4th, embarrassment. No one wants to admit that $90 dollars can get you higher than a $400 set of sticks. Most start with sticks. St number 1.
5th. This level of cool cannot be handled by most. There was only one fonz.

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dalton916 said:
I brought up 2 tether climbing on here 5 years ago in 2019. I did it. It worked but not as well for me as one sticking. Since then I’ve carried a long prusik loop to put on my lineman’s rope as needed, but like BTaylor I just use it as needed.

For me one sticking is simpler and easier, you just have to try both and figure it out as each applies to you.
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I started a thread called is 1 sticking a fad just asuming that someone would figyer out the 2tc.system and 1 sticking would get surpassed by a lighter more compact system.this was before the why dont yall two tether thread convinced me to ditch my beloved fuzzy single steps for something that i knew would be the lightest most compact way.if i could only figyer it out and it was frustrating. ....now its as easy as walking to the tree.i may sound like a two tether zellot but im realy just a heathen convert.I to gave my exscuses for why i loved my sin of gear glutten ..blame sam and red fo putting me in my place
...on the right path to assention....this was so fun!
 
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There were guys already doing 2TC when I mentioned it. At least there were guys that had tried it. No idea where they were at with it or their success because I do t remember it getting mentioned much more than in passing.
 
At first scott adkins ropes just looked to bulky to be practical.i even used a webbing tether back then and thought ropes where for cave monkeys....took some heat for that line..then ex and brocky learned me upside the head with some knawlege of rope tech.....been 2 tether or die ever since....aside from tree branches,presets ,and a private land ladder stand for holding my case of beer out of sight and reach of my brother and sister.versatillity you know.
 
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