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Ditch my linesmen

sdonx said:
I am all in on the Oplux band wagon for sure. I love the stuff. It has me reviewing my stuff again for not only weight but for compactness also.
I am thinking of using my Oplux tether/ ropeman 2 set up for my linesmen's line and then switch it to my tether when at height.
I carry a 1/4" Amsteel whoopie now as my back up linesmen for branches anyway. I can use the whoopie when I am switching the Oplux.
Anyone else do this?
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I do the same. I've seen linesman ropes fail. There is nothing girthed around the tree, so you get a direct fall, straight down. Stay girthed!
 
I ordered mine on 7/8 along with a Kong Duck. They sent the Kong but not the lineman. I have emailed them 3 times since, including the latest on 8/28. The Kong is useless without the rope. And, for some reason, they WILL NOT respond to me. I'm not at all impressed with this outfit and demonstrates to me that they are dishonest and not to be trusted. They haven't even responded to offer to take my Kong in return if they aren't going to send the rope. They appear to be worshiped on this site but I'm not one of them. Very unfortunate.
 
How many guys are always girth hitched. I use my linesmen only when climbing up and down. I use three points of contact most times.
I get the risk of falling straight down, and over the past 30 years I have fallen somewhat probably half dozen times. I always catch myself, maneuver in such a way not to cause harm. A bit of a risk taker I know, but I feel safe.
I havnt used a second linesman to go around branches yet...I just hold on. I am going to this year for sure.

I like to read post of you ultra safe guys...keeps me to always think safety first, and I have changed a lot toward safety.
Before saddlehunter.com....yikes :fearscream:is all I can say about my risk taking:fearful:
 
sojourner said:
I like to have backups. It is part of my risk averse and conservative strategy. I have two of (oplux, jammy, hitch tender, 2 biners) exactly the same and either can be used as LB or Tether. I also use sitdrag/fleece with RCH backup. I like to have extra backup to RCH belay loop. But that is just me and my predilections.
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What’s a Jammy?


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sdonx said:
I am all in on the Oplux band wagon for sure. I love the stuff. It has me reviewing my stuff again for not only weight but for compactness also.
I am thinking of using my Oplux tether/ ropeman 2 set up for my linesmen's line and then switch it to my tether when at height.
I carry a 1/4" Amsteel whoopie now as my back up linesmen for branches anyway. I can use the whoopie when I am switching the Oplux.
Anyone else do this?
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Did you make your whoooie sling?


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Perhaps I don't understand. You have 1x Oplux and 1x whoopie. So 2 ropes? I also have 2 ropes 1x tether and 1x LB. I use my tether to get around branches if need be. I feel like perhaps I am missing something.

As far as staying girth hitched, I have not seen or heard of anyone doing that till now. I have dropped on purpose using a LB. And didn't go very far, hurts to hit sticks though. As long as there's not too much space between you and the tree, I don't think you will slide very far.
 
sojourner said:
5.5 sewn end prusik cord that people are using (in different configurations) with the 8mm oplux cord.

DanO has everything you need wrt rope and tenders to make your own lb and tether.

https://doublesteps.com/product/beal-jammy/

Check out the “8mm Oplux questions & uses” thread for more info.
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Damn, I purposely asked Wild Edge if I could use a Prusik with the Oplux and they said no, I needed a Kong Duck.
Im not a fan of the Kong Duck but I like the Oplux rope.
Thank you. This is what I need.


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sojourner said:
I like to have backups. It is part of my risk averse and conservative strategy. I have two of (oplux, jammy, hitch tender, 2 biners) exactly the same and either can be used as LB or Tether. I also use sitdrag/fleece with RCH backup. I like to have extra backup to RCH belay loop. But that is just me and my predilections.
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Did you get the hitch tender from the same place you got the Jammy?


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sdonx said:
How many guys are always girth hitched. I use my linesmen only when climbing up and down. I use three points of contact most times.
I get the risk of falling straight down, and over the past 30 years I have fallen somewhat probably half dozen times. I always catch myself, maneuver in such a way not to cause harm. A bit of a risk taker I know, but I feel safe.
I havnt used a second linesman to go around branches yet...I just hold on. I am going to this year for sure.

I like to read post of you ultra safe guys...keeps me to always think safety first, and I have changed a lot toward safety.
Before saddlehunter.com....yikes :fearscream:is all I can say about my risk taking:fearful:
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I only use a linesman belt for ascending and descending. I run double linesman/tether ropes. They are exactly the same rope, so whichever is not in use as a linesman becomes the tether at the top.
The only time I am truly girthed is when I get to hunting height.


................................................................................All climbing methods, platforms, saddle designs, and/or use of materials possibly mentioned in the post above are not peer reviewed for safety, and should only be used as an example of my own method. Do your own research and testing before becoming confident in any DIY solution to support your life.
-IkemanTx
 
cb750 said:
Perhaps I don't understand. You have 1x Oplux and 1x whoopie. So 2 ropes? I also have 2 ropes 1x tether and 1x LB. I use my tether to get around branches if need be. I feel like perhaps I am missing something.

As far as staying girth hitched, I have not seen or heard of anyone doing that till now. I have dropped on purpose using a LB. And didn't go very far, hurts to hit sticks though. As long as there's not too much space between you and the tree, I don't think you will slide very far.
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His second rope is 1/4” Amsteel, so it weighs essentially nothing and packs down to 1/6 the size of a normal rope. The carabiner in the amsteel whoop setup accounts for like 90% of the total weight. The amsteel would weigh only 5oz assuming he had about 20’ of amsteel in the whoopie construction.


................................................................................All climbing methods, platforms, saddle designs, and/or use of materials possibly mentioned in the post above are not peer reviewed for safety, and should only be used as an example of my own method. Do your own research and testing before becoming confident in any DIY solution to support your life.
-IkemanTx
 
PJC said:
Is that 5.5 strong enough to absorb a fall?


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Is the duck?

The answer it "it's not designed or certified to"

And probably no.

Seems similar to the ropeman and other ascenders in that it may not be reliable beyond 4kn.

Guys - using devices off-label and untested is almost certainly not safer than using a well-dressed friction knot with appropriate cordage. Even if you push the boundaries with your choice of cordage...you may still be quite a bit better off!

Devices are not automatically safe and appropriate "because climbers use them", "because tgey're used in rope rescue", "because they're used in canyoneering", or because @internetcelebritysaddlehunter5673 uses them.

If you want full fall-rated gear - then the clear way to go is with arborist-accepted solutions. Like us - they climb trees and "work" at height. They play it safe and have additional hazards we do not. For this reason - we borrow technology from mountaineering, canyoning, military, fire, etc applications where appropriate (where appropriate is largely up to you - but be smart!)
 
PJC said:
Damn, I purposely asked Wild Edge if I could use a Prusik with the Oplux and they said no, I needed a Kong Duck.
Im not a fan of the Kong Duck but I like the Oplux rope.
Thank you. This is what I need.


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Little things like this are why I prefer to do business with @DanO when feasible. Dude provides amazing service, thoughtful and top of the line priducts, and solid, honest advice.
 
IkemanTX said:
His second rope is 1/4” Amsteel, so it weighs essentially nothing and packs down to 1/6 the size of a normal rope. The carabiner in the amsteel whoop setup accounts for like 90% of the total weight. The amsteel would weigh only 5oz assuming he had about 20’ of amsteel in the whoopie construction.


................................................................................All climbing methods, platforms, saddle designs, and/or use of materials possibly mentioned in the post above are not peer reviewed for safety, and should only be used as an example of my own method. Do your own research and testing before becoming confident in any DIY solution to support your life.
-IkemanTx
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Yeah I see how the type of rope makes it way lighter. But it's still 2 ropes isn't it? It doesn't seem likes he is ditching his linemans belt. Just choosing to not use it until he gets to height. Or is it that since he only uses it at that time he's more able to use amsteel instead of a different rope and thus saving weight?.
 
mattsteg said:
Is the duck?

The answer it "it's not designed or certified to"

And probably no.

Seems similar to the ropeman and other ascenders in that it may not be reliable beyond 4kn.

Guys - using devices off-label and untested is almost certainly not safer than using a well-dressed friction knot with appropriate cordage. Even if you push the boundaries with your choice of cordage...you may still be quite a bit better off!

Devices are not automatically safe and appropriate "because climbers use them", "because tgey're used in rope rescue", "because they're used in canyoneering", or because @internetcelebritysaddlehunter5673 uses them.

If you want full fall-rated gear - then the clear way to go is with arborist-accepted solutions. Like us - they climb trees and "work" at height. They play it safe and have additional hazards we do not. For this reason - we borrow technology from mountaineering, canyoning, military, fire, etc applications where appropriate (where appropriate is largely up to you - but be smart!)
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Actually as stated above the jammy is rated at 22kn. Pretty kick ass for 5.5mm cord. Way beyond what most 5.5mm cord is rated for.
 
cb750 said:
Yeah I see how the type of rope makes it way lighter. But it's still 2 ropes isn't it? It doesn't seem likes he is ditching his linemans belt. Just choosing to not use it until he gets to height. Or is it that since he only uses it at that time he's more able to use amsteel instead of a different rope and thus saving weight?.
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Amsteel isn't a great lineman's belt. As a hollow core rope all the strength in in the sheath. It doesn't take knots or friction hitches, so adjustment is either a PITA whoopie or daisy chain...neither of which are suitable for routine use. It's also floppy which so.e people want a stiffer rope.

However - it's probably plenty strong/safe/appropiate for use holding position, as long as you've thought it through and accept/understand the limitations and risks.
 
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