Ditch my linesmen

[mattsteg]

Actually as stated above the jammy is rated at 22kn. Pretty kick ass for 5.5mm cord. Way beyond what most 5.5mm cord is rated for.

Yes the jammy is absolutely fine and worlds safer than the duck.

Other Cord that you would rightfully regard as "sketchy" would also likely be safer than the duck.

And to clarify - I was expressing doubt of the duck, not of the jammy.

 

[emrah.oruc.7]

So how does one adjust this 1/4” amsteel whoopie sling? Any pics? Do you just pick a loop and go with it.

And btw, just what IS the difference between a whoopie sling and daisy chain?

Emrah


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[mattsteg]

So how does one adjust this 1/4” amsteel whoopie sling? Any pics? Do you just pick a loop and go with it.

And btw, just what IS the difference between a whoopie sling and daisy chain?

Emrah


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You unload it, and then you can slide one of the loops through the rope to lengthen/shorten.

A daisy chain is a series of loops.

 

[cb750]

Yes the jammy is absolutely fine and worlds safer than the duck.

Other Cord that you would rightfully regard as "sketchy" would also likely be safer than the duck.

And to clarify - I was expressing doubt of the duck, not of the jammy.

Yep got that. My comment was intended more as a reinforcement of your response to the question about the strength of the jammy.

In regards to the other I am familiar with amsteel just didn't quite get the first post about ditching the LB. Since there were still 2 ropes. I figured it out later that he meant because of how they were used allowed him to use lighter rope.

I've read enough of @sdonx stuff to know he wasn't posting willy nilly I just hadn't had enough caffeine yet likely.

 

[cb750]

So how does one adjust this 1/4” amsteel whoopie sling? Any pics? Do you just pick a loop and go with it.

And btw, just what IS the difference between a whoopie sling and daisy chain?

Emrah


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They are very different. Easiest way to get it is to probably see it on youtube. But otherwise you can adjust the whoopie length as opposed to picking the loop that best fits from a daisy chain.

 

[Tapeworm]

I do. I have an ultra lightweight Metolius mini climb rated wire gate biner that hangs on my saddle ready to attach the Amsteel backup whoopie LB which is girth hitched to one side lineman loop and stuffed in my pocket (weighs next to nothing). Not saying this is safe or recommended, just what I am comfortable with to cut weight and bulk. Feels like carrying only one rope. If I fall in the 15 seconds that the Amsteel backup is in use and it does not work to keep me hugged to tree as intended, then I guess my time is up on this rock. Call it a Darwin Award winner.

What are the specs for the whoopie u made?

I’ve never made one but would like 1 for my bridge & 1 for temp limb passing while climbing



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[emrah.oruc.7]

You unload it, and then you can slide one of the loops through the rope to lengthen/shorten.

A daisy chain is a series of loops.

Ah. Got it. Using 7/64” daisy chain for my sticks but I’m also one-sticking it. Makes moving the stick up the tree kind of a pain. The daisy chain grabs the bark too well. Wondering if I can use a whoopie sling on my stick instead?

Emrah


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[mattsteg]

Ah. Got it. Using 7/64” daisy chain for my sticks but I’m also one-sticking it. Makes moving the stick up the tree kind of a pain. The daisy chain grabs the bark too well. Wondering if I can use a whoopie sling on my stick instead?

Emrah


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Cranford steps use whoopies and I really disliked that. Whoopies are for occasional adjustment only imo.

 

[cb750]

Ah. Got it. Using 7/64” daisy chain for my sticks but I’m also one-sticking it. Makes moving the stick up the tree kind of a pain. The daisy chain grabs the bark too well. Wondering if I can use a whoopie sling on my stick instead?

Emrah


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I have not used that technique yet so I am not able to help you there. Although I know some guys like the cams on the their sticks for one sticking. Check out @flinginairos.

 

[emrah.oruc.7]

I have not used that technique yet so I am not able to help you there. Although I know some guys like the cams on the their sticks for one sticking. Check out @flinginairos.

Yeah I tried the cam buckle but the loops don’t want to stay on the Versa button

Emrah


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[sojourner]

Did you get the hitch tender from the same place you got the Jammy?


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You can get everything from DanO. He has the oplux, jammy and tender I use in my setup. I used the 60 cm jammy, cut off the sewn portion. Below is pic of how much extra I have with each one. I did loose a small bit with an aborted attempt to make a nice end. I cut with tape, heat shrink tubing on rope, crazy glue on end of rope, then heat shrink the wrapping.

If you go this route, I would recommend cutting and removing the stitching so you have nice ends on the jammy. It is so much easier to put that through the heat shrink tub.

 

[PJC]

I was always hesitant to make a whoopie sling for a secondary lineman’s belt because they look like they one hard to adjust especially when you need to lengthen or create more slack.


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[TNSTAAFL]

What are the specs for the whoopie u made?

I’ve never made one but would like 1 for my bridge & 1 for temp limb passing while climbing



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I just watched a YouTube video on how to splice Amsteel into a whoopie.

It is fairly easy to tighten, but not so easy to loosen. Doesn't matter to me much as I only use it when passing branches or moving LB to tether. I never step/climb with it.

 

[Tapeworm]

I just watched a YouTube video on how to splice Amsteel into a whoopie.

It is fairly easy to tighten, but not so easy to loosen. Doesn't matter to me much as I only use it when passing branches or moving LB to tether. I never step/climb with it.

What’s is the longest it adjusts out to?




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[IkemanTX]

Amsteel isn't a great lineman's belt. As a hollow core rope all the strength in in the sheath. It doesn't take knots or friction hitches, so adjustment is either a PITA whoopie or daisy chain...neither of which are suitable for routine use. It's also floppy which so.e people want a stiffer rope.

However - it's probably plenty strong/safe/appropiate for use holding position, as long as you've thought it through and accept/understand the limitations and risks.

In this use case, the amsteel is being utilized as a lightweight temporary hookup for crossing over limbs. A couple of climbs with amsteel as a total linesman belt replacement will quickly send you back to solid core rope, as it isn’t really suited for abrasion resistance or tossing up a tree like a linesman belt needs to. It is, however, easy enough to hook it in while moving your rope linesman belt above an obstructions, then unhooking and stowing again.


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-IkemanTx

 

[IkemanTX]

What’s is the longest it adjusts out to?




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Entirely dependent on how you make it.


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[TNSTAAFL]

What’s is the longest it adjusts out to?




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Mine is 6.5' fully extended. Don't remember how much Amsteel I bought to make it.

 

[Tapeworm]

Entirely dependent on how you make it.


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-IkemanTx

Yes

I was wondering if it is made to adjust out to the length of a full size LB or if it it maxes out at maybe half of a LB so it can only go over limb & not completely around a tree trunk


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[Tapeworm]

Mine is 6.5' fully extended. Don't remember how much Amsteel I bought to make it.

Thanks




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[mattsteg]

In this use case, the amsteel is being utilized as a lightweight temporary hookup for crossing over limbs. A couple of climbs with amsteel as a total linesman belt replacement will quickly send you back to solid core rope, as it isn’t really suited for abrasion resistance or tossing up a tree like a linesman belt needs to. It is, however, easy enough to hook it in while moving your rope linesman belt above an obstructions, then unhooking and stowing again.


................................................................................All climbing methods, platforms, saddle designs, and/or use of materials possibly mentioned in the post above are not peer reviewed for safety, and should only be used as an example of my own method. Do your own research and testing before becoming confident in any DIY solution to support your life.
-IkemanTx

I know and it's relatively perfect for that.