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Ditch my linesmen

Its working so far. I have it backed up with 50cm beal jammy


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I don’t understand the resistance to using simple friction hitches backed up by a direct tie-in to the tether/lineman. It’s quiet, light, cheap, and uses multi-function gear. Call me crazy but it seems far superior to buying ascenders to use in ways other than their designed purpose, all while adding unnecessary moving parts and metal on metal connections to hunting systems.

Also, I totally understand guys wanting to go lightweight but I think the whole tech cord and amsteel craze is a little misguided. The stuff is great for specific applications but over the long run, there are more suitable materials for most of what we do in trees.



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I use a ropeman two on my tether. Ill use a ropeman 1 on my linesman. Its easier to manipulate. I back up my tether with a prussic on the tag end.
All oplux.


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Do you guys really adjust your length of the tether and lineman that often that it needs to be easier than sliding a friction hitch? I set my length when I’m tying in to the tree and rarely have to adjust it. When I do, it takes 2 seconds.

Edit: To each their own, I just think the many disadvantages of an ascender outweigh the one and only benefit, being smoother adjustment.

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I adjust my linesman constantly....tether not so much. I Probaly could live with a prussic on my tether


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Like a stuck record. When I climb using hand climber method, I can get two moves of the platform by adjusting ropeman before I have to lift the tether. Also, if I go from sitting to leaning, while changing the way my knees contact tree, while adjusting for easier positioning for a shot. The list goes on for me. When I connect my rappel rope to bridge I adjust tether to put weight onto the rappel line.


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powhound84 said:
Do you guys really adjust your length of the tether and lineman that often that it needs to be easier than sliding a friction hitch? I set my length when I’m tying in to the tree and rarely have to adjust it. When I do, it takes 2 seconds.

Edit: To each their own, I just think the many disadvantages of an ascender outweigh the one and only benefit, being smoother adjustment.

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I haven’t found a disadvantage yet


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You can adjust a ropeman with one hand both ways. A prusik takes two hands to tighten, or at least some nifty fingerwork. I use a pusik on my tag end of my tether for backup. Also for backup if I repel.


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shwacker said:
I haven’t found a disadvantage yet
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1. Low force required to cause failure.
2. 10x more expensive than the alternative
3. Single use device
4. Metal on metal connection can be noisy if loaded and unloaded.
5. Another chunk of metal to make noise if you bump it.
6. IT IS NOT DESIGNED TO BE USED FOR FALL ARREST

And don't try tell me there is never slack in the line so you won't fall on it. You can't climb a tree without ever introducing slack into the system unless you are ascending the rope, which is the only correct use for an ascender. I don't think you guys realize how much force can hit each element of your safety system when you fall even a foot or two on static rope. This is even more true with the ultra low-stretch rope everyone is obsessed with around here.


sdonx said:
You can adjust a ropeman with one hand both ways. A prusik takes two hands to tighten, or at least some nifty fingerwork. I use a pusik on my tag end of my tether for backup. Also for backup if I repel.
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Yes, I think we've covered the one and only benefit. I should point out that I rock climb and am VERY familiar with all the gear we discuss. I love ascenders... for ascending rope. Try a friction hitch tender if you need one hand adjustment.

Another point., a friction hitch isn't the best backup since they need to be dressed and snugged up to work properly. You can't beat a direct tie-in to the tether/lineman to back up your adjustable connection, whether it be friction hitch or ascender.

As long as you are backing your stuff up, you can probably get away with misusing an ascender for this purpose and not die but let's not pretend it's the best or safest solution.
 
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I wouldn’t call this low force, and it still didn’t fail.

I wear mine in on my lineman’s daisy chained, haven’t had any noise that concerned me

These entire systems, ropeman or prussik used, are NOT fall arrest systems!!

Happy Hunting!





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Cool test. I’d like to see a 300 lbs drop over 3 feet.



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How much force do you think he’s applying? I would think it’s getting toward that equivalent. Also, most of us aren’t 300, and 3 feet is A LOT of slack. Hard to create that much slack in your system unless you are very foolish or careless


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shwacker said:
I wouldn’t call this low force, and it still didn’t fail.
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There are so many variables in the video that we have no clue how much force is on the device. Also, how does a wet or frozen rope affect testing? Sorry, but drop tests and measurable pull tests are far more useful than tractor pulls. Regardless, I get the point that it's pretty strong and probably won't completely fail under normal use. However, it's worth pointing out that falls do happen and the ascenders damaged the rope, the friction hitch did not. Add #7 to the list of it's disadvantages.

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These entire systems, ropeman or prussik used, are NOT fall arrest systems!!
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And this is why a direct tie-in to the rope as a backup is so important, which I rarely see anyone do. Of course, if you shred the rope above your backup by falling on an ascender, it might not help you ;)
 
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And this is why a direct tie-in to the rope as a backup is so important, which I rarely see anyone do. Of course, if you shred the rope above your backup by falling on an ascender, it might not help you ;)
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haha, now the takeaway is going to be an alpine butterfly or F8 on a bite above the ascender with a dyneema sling to tie in directly so that if the ascender cuts the rope then you are still on the rope. "You can pry my ropeman from my cold dead fingers" lol.
 
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haha, now the takeaway is going to be an alpine butterfly or F8 on a bite above the ascender with a dyneema sling to tie in directly so that if the ascender cuts the rope then you are still on the rope. "You can pry my ropeman from my cold dead fingers" lol.
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LOL... And this is why I like to K.I.S.S.
 
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