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Hypothetically, what would be the best cross loading carabiner?

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Chandler96 said:
Just because you have a different outlook on something doesn't mean the other side is "crying" or "complaining" Sometimes one "party" takes control and if another says something they tend to overshadow or look down upon them. It obvious you're on the side of the safety police but if you're looking for videos or other items, we can post those too.


When we do this though people jump out and say that his videos aren't real. In this one it's much more drastic than a hunting situation.

I wasn't even specifically asking about wire gate carabiners even though I'm much more intrigued by them now after they were brought up and i did research about them. I hope everyone does that but I'm not responsible if someone doesn't.
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I haven't said anyone was crying or complaining. I also haven't mentioned anything about cross loading carabiners.

I'm not sure I understand this:
Chandler96 said:
I was even specifically asking about wire gate carabiners even though I'm much more intrigued by them now after they were brought up and i did research about them
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Chandler96 said:
Why don't we use wire gates in saddle hunting?
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I was simply pointing out that a question was asked about wire gates and there have been a handful of posts that were attempting to address the question seriously and seem to have been ignored or dismissed with the type of comments I mentioned above. I would love to see a discussion on best practices without wise cracks or memes from either "side". I see a few posters trying to do that but they are quickly getting lost in the noise.
 
I wouldn't use a wire gate on my tether or linesman personally....I don't know if I'm included in the ones "advocating" it's use or not...my wire gate is on the climbing aider. I've tried and tried and tired but I can't get it to unclip the way I am using. I'd really rather prefer a soft shackle connection but they sometimes frustrating trying to close
 
Weldabeast said:
I wouldn't use a wire gate on my tether or linesman personally....I don't know if I'm included in the ones "advocating" it's use or not...my wire gate is on the climbing aider. I've tried and tried and tired but I can't get it to unclip the way I am using. I'd really rather prefer a soft shackle connection but they sometimes frustrating trying to close
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Why wouldnt you use a wire gate on your tether? honest question.
 
I would think you would want something steel instead of aluminum. Worst case scenario, it bends instead of snaps.

Peztyl Oxan is what I have used.
 
samu said:
I've had in mind to try and get Ryan from HowNot2 to run series of tests where carabiner is used to hitch around round timber of various thicknesses to figure out if there is a combination where the carabiner breaks first. As the bending radius gets smaller the wood also gets weaker. And to get the answer if using a carabiner for tether adjustment in trees in usual diameters is dangerous at all. My hypothesis is even with 4" tree it will be "super good enough"

Overall I think it would be cool to get them do some saddle hunting specific tests there at some point. Especially dummy drops with onesticking slack in rope as well as dropping stuff on linemans belt.
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There was a video I thought they did, and the branch broke while the carabiner was still operable. I can't remember if the carabiner took and noticeable damage, but the branch was around 4 inch across.
 
Nutterbuster said:
I think the better question is, "Why would you use a wire gate on your tether?"

Seriously. What's the upside? Does it offset the risk of something goofy happening and you coming unclipped at 20ft?
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Lighter, easier and smaller. I think it does because @Horn vid shows it can happen to any style carabiner. So why not a wire carabiner?
 
Chandler96 said:
Lighter, easier and smaller. I think it does because @Horn vid shows it can happen to any style carabiner. So why not a wire carabiner?
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For me it’s simple. I can envision several ways where turning around on the platform, leaning around the tree, adjusting my tether, etc. could possibly create some goofy situation that what @Nutterbuster demonstrated in his video might happen. I can think of no situation where my screw gate carabiner would be held in the perfect position to roll 1’ down my tether, then twist and unlock. The two aren’t remotely comparable.
 
Nutterbuster said:
I'm approaching middle age. Are you being serious or am I getting old enough that humor goes over my head now?
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I’m way past the middle of my life lol. I am being serious. If it can happen to all carabiners why not use one that’s lighter and easier?
 
Yimmyb60 said:
I have tested carabiners in place of a screw link. The issue, even with an aluminum locking carabiner, is the weight of it tends to loosen and slide down the tree when un weighted because the large opening doesn't provide enough friction on the rope.

The same is true with a delta/ screw link. Both will fall but the screw link falls less for me and takes up less space is my pouch.

You can use a stopper of some sort but it's one more thing to deal with and I find it more of a nuisance when I 2TC. The stopper prevents me from moving my hitch when i need to and adds an additional step.

The time savings between using a screw link/ delta compared to locking carabiner is almost nothing. Or use a non locking wire gate and you still run into the girth hitch slipping down when you don't want it to, and the possibility of the gate coming open.
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I never needed a tether locker before I switched to a quick link. Now it’s 3 times as many moves to advance a tether.
 
So to the original question, I always used a locking carabiner on my tether, and never had an issue or concern but was guilted into switching this season. I’m not convinced a quick link is better, unless you’re carrying a torque wrench up with you too?
 
Chandler96 said:
I’m way past the middle of my life lol. I am being serious. If it can happen to all carabiners why not use one that’s lighter and easier?
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You can die in a car crash regardless of whether or not you wear a seat belt. So why wear a seat belt?

All carabiners can fail. That's true. But some are much less likely to do so. A screw gate can come unclipped. An auto locker can come unclipped. A double gate can come unclipped. But a wire gate carabiner can come unclipped shockingly easily. All that it takes is a tiny bit of slack and a slight reorientation of the carabiner.

No offense, but you are in your own head if you believe it's that important to save a few grams and milliseconds. I get that "lightweight mobile stands" are the thing now. But geeze...

Again, you're interpreting the information along the lines of, "Well, I can die on a motorcycle with or without a helmet. And I hate helmet hair, so why wear the helmet."
 
Nutterbuster said:
You can die in a car crash regardless of whether or not you wear a seat belt. So why wear a seat belt?

All carabiners can fail. That's true. But some are much less likely to do so. A screw gate can come unclipped. An auto locker can come unclipped. A double gate can come unclipped. But a wire gate carabiner can come unclipped shockingly easily. All that it takes is a tiny bit of slack and a slight reorientation of the carabiner.

No offense, but you are in your own head if you believe it's that important to save a few grams and milliseconds. I get that "lightweight mobile stands" are the thing now. But geeze...

Again, you're interpreting the information along the lines of, "Well, I can die on a motorcycle with or without a helmet. And I hate helmet hair, so why wear the helmet."
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I never made those analogies lol. So the wire gates are good 100’s of feet on a rock wall but not twenty feet in a tree? Make it make sense lol.
 
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