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Johnny no shoulders

Hell I use to catch poisonous snakes when I was younger and tan their hides for bow backing and quivers I made and had alot of good eating and where i live now are no poisonous snakes but a lot of other kinds that I relocate to other areas because wife is petrified of snakes regardless even it’s a tiny gartner snake which the wife is convinced it’s a anaconda I have a healthy respect for snakes but if I feel threaten by a venomous snake then I will dispatch it quickly but if not then he can go his way and I go my way
 
BOWHUNTER14 said:
I look at invasive species the way I look at coyotes, they are only good dead
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With the thought provoking posts in this thread, keep in mind that the coyotes spread east on their own. They only filed a niche that had been created when people eliminated wolves and/or cougars/mountain lions/pumas/panthers or whatever you want to call your local large cat (they are genetically the same species)! So not really the same class as an invasive species....the're just outstanding at surviving!
 
@Pyronole I wouldn't really call them good at surviving per say. The majority of people have no reason to kill them (not fit to eat/fur market down) on top of that they really don't have any natural predators. But they do a hurting on cattle, deer, and turkeys. So whether I am actually hunting them or deer they will always have something flung their way.
 
BOWHUNTER14 said:
@Pyronole I wouldn't really call them good at surviving per say. The majority of people have no reason to kill them (not fit to eat/fur market down) on top of that they really don't have any natural predators. But they do a hurting on cattle, deer, and turkeys. So whether I am actually hunting them or deer they will always have something flung their way.
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Any critter that can move into a major city like Chicago, New York, Orlando or Miami or be in the wilderness and keep expanding their range and populations is a survivor. They are classic opportunists, eating soft mast and fruit, catching their own meat (reptiles, amphibians, birds and mammals) or surviving on scraps from trash cans. By definition they are survivors. They are too smart and reproduce too fast for there to be any significant control, except for a very specific targeting combined with fencing. I agree that they have an effect on game populations, just extremely difficult to remove enough to make a measurable difference.
 
I'm in on that....I killed a big male my second year hunting with a rifle and almost got 1 with the bow 2 seasons ago....I have found a den site on 1 of my local wma and once small game opens I gonna try to kill 1 with the bow. There was a black pup people were seeing running the road and I am sure that survived last year so maybe see him too if I'm lucky
 
Jmarzey said:
Well i was pre setting some bolts this morning, walking through the woods thinking about other stuff. I didn’t know what it was at first, but something caught my eye and i stopped... this dude was laying 6 inches from my foot, drawed up ready to strike.

I don’t know why he didn’t bite me but thank the lord he didn’t.

I jumped back and gave him 2 claps and a Rick Flair. Needless to say I’m headed to bass pro to get snake boots..... right now
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What size shoe ya wear. I git a pair here at home.near new. Rattler bit me once when I was walking through the woods without them....he found out i was so mean when he bit me his venom.killed his own self....so I figured i didnt need them.boots anymore

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Blinginpse said:
What size shoe ya wear. I git a pair here at home.near new. Rattler bit me once when I was walking through the woods without them....he found out i was so mean when he bit me his venom.killed his own self....so I figured i didnt need them.boots anymore

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Haha I’m a 12


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This conversation reminds me of a discussion I had with my wife on our honeymoon. There was a difference of opinion that arose I can’t seem to remember the topic, but the context is irrelevant. I explained just because we were married I did not lose my opinion. Going forward we had a few of options.
  • Come to a mutual consensus
  • One of us could concede
  • We could have conflict
She was impressed at my ability to settle a dispute, but informed me I left out an option.
  • To Consummate
So over 40 years ago I selected option #2 for all my difference of opinion. I’ve been happily married ever since.
 
Nutterbuster said:
Now we're onto something interesting. Why is us making something go extinct any different than, say, coyotes outcompeting with grey wolves? Or mallards eliminating other species by hybridizing with them? Change is change. If you can't handle the smart new monkey, why do you deserve to stay in the play pen? Raccoons, possums, dogs, cats, cows, etc do just fine.

Somehow we're determined to be special. US making something go away is somehow more significant than an ice age, asteroid, or competing species (which I'd argue is all we are) making something go away.

It's weird. You definitely can't keep nature in a vacuum. Change is the only constant. Entropy is a scientific fact. Why do we insist on bringing the dead back to life and stringing cripples along? Is it just selfishness and a desire for "the way things have always been?"

I dunno. I'll be sure to mull it over tonight around the fire as I down a beer or two.
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The coyote and mallard problems are both human caused problems. Coyotes trapped and released into running pens and cattle trailer mallards released to charge fools money to “hunt” them.
 
Weldabeast said:
The pythons would never naturally end up here.....maybe not never....but very very unlikely. Raccoon and possum numbers are way down in south Florida according to Florida wildlife commission.

The big carp in the Mississippi that jumps outta the water is another....99% never would have happened without human involvement.
Obviously we cant do much about it but I still dont like it.....I have witnessed it here at my home. When we first moved in we had lots of native tree frogs. Slowly through the years it is rare now to see a native frog but I can kill 20 Cuban tree frogs every night and they always seem to be more.
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I agree, we as people are careless and supposed to know better, but I have to agree with @Nutterbuster that there isn't a lot of difference philosophically between a person inadvertently (or intentionally) importing an invasive species and the isolated pond that ends up with a population of fish from the roe transported on a waterfowls legs. Those tadpoles are suddenly subjected to an "invasive species".
 
Jmarzey said:
Well this is an area where my wife and dad also walk by frequently. I sure would hate for me to have kindly stepped around him, then a month from now one of them gets bit.

I’m not blaming it on that at all. It was my choice but i really didn’t have a lot of time to think about it. When I saw him drawed back so close to my foot, i drew and fired two rounds in less than a second.

And to be honest, if i would have had time to think about it I probably would have done no different.


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Ya done good!! I'd of done the same thing.....
 
jspradley said:
Coyotes are really amazing animals, yeah they can cause problems but they really don't get the respect they deserve.

They have laughed at everything we've been throwing at them for over a hundred years and asked for more!
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I look at them like wild hogs. Folks love to hate them, but they've been here longer than most of our ancestors have. Coyotes have always been on the continent. They've just expanded their range, kinda like whitetail deer have. Sucks that we killed of most of the grey and all of the red wolves, but can you blame the coyote for stepping into the vacant spot?
 
Hogs actually cause ecological problems and are edible. It's not a problem you can shoot your way out of though.

Coyotes, doesn't bother me that people shoot them as there are plenty around, but the idea that people are "controlling predators" when they do has been disproven. They replace themselves as fast as you can remove them.

Amazingly, deer populations recovered and deer quality has improved in the east over the period of time that coyotes have moved in. Nobody seems to ever want to mention that.
 
jspradley said:
Coyotes are really amazing animals, yeah they can cause problems but they really don't get the respect they deserve.

They have laughed at everything we've been throwing at them for over a hundred years and asked for more!
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You got that right. One of the smartest critters in the woods. I just don't like them cause they are competition for my favorite food :)
 
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