Most of saddles I have seen you can't really sit ON unless your weight in on the thin bottom strap. The Phantom looks no different. I climb SRT so I am sitting ON my sitdrag saddle hanging from the rope for a large percentage of the climb time (~1 min ). The people that climb with the weight on their feet aren't sitting in their saddle until they get set at the top and try to sit and the saddle being fastened high on their hips rides up and they have to pull it down to sit comfortably. The Aero Evolution I have seems to have solved that problem a long time ago. It has a seat and leg loops that support your weight from mid thigh to tailbone just as you would sit in a chair. Just like a JX3. No wonder so many people like the JX3. Any saddle you can sit ON comfortably you can lean against comfortably so they should be made comfortable to sit ON, distributing weight between butt and thighs. I had hoped the Phantom would have addressed this issue.Disclaimer. This is a good review from a biased reviewer. I never liked the mantis and do not work for anyone. I do however love the Jx3. And I think the flex is pretty good but not perfect. I am still looking for perfect The flex is very comfortable but floppy when walking in with it on
This review is very good IMO but it is by a biased but long time saddle hunter who has given many thorough and thoughtful product reviews
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I agree with this for the most part. Hopefully, we get better options that can be delivered with reasonable lead times. It has gotten better since the dark days of 2010-2011 after TrophyLine had closed and we had no options other than secondary market or Gudio’s Web.The phantom looks great and has some great features over the mantis to help with comfort and I’m sure I’ll get one to tryout when they come available to us.
But to me I don’t think the phantom is the big picture here. Last year I was at the ATA show checking everything out and was hoping to see some saddle gear but other than a couple platforms I didn’t see a thing.
I did see a few Tethrd guys walking around the show but they didn’t have a booth last year.
But they had a plan and followed through with it and this is a big start for other saddle hunting manufacturers to follow.
I hope next year and the years after that we have more and more saddle companies showing off there product at the ATA and giving us more great equipment to choose from.
I like Tethrd gear and I know some guys may not but we should all support them best we can because in the end it will lead to better equipment for us all.
Thanks for the kind words. I'm just a little nutboy trying to survive in a nutman's world.@Nutterbuster is young, but I value his comments and I think his sense of humor and demeanor are awesome for the growth of saddle hunting.
Hang on, are you saying you have hunted out of the phantom?@Ontariofarmer Garrett’s video sums it up pretty well. I found it to be just as comfortable as my kestrel was for me but less forgiving when it comes to wallet in back pocket, bolts r stiff belt under saddle. I usually wear a cloth belt hunting but the time or two I wore my leather work belt it caused discomfort. I imagine the kite and flex would too. The kestrel with its double layer construction while heavy is pretty forgiving.
A nut boyThanks for the kind words. I'm just a little nutboy trying to survive in a nutman's world.
Also, that post was so garrulous I thought it was one of mine!
Several people I know who were unimpressed with the mantis have said the phantom is an improvement. I personally like the looks of the bigger linemans loops. Looks like a good saddle, but man oh man do I hope the game hasn't ended!
Well, he definitely is nuts!!!A nut boy
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Uh, I mean, uh...Copperhead Road!Yup, all that white Zin has gone to your head ....