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Who Did Not Snort the Fairy Dust? And Why?

DB4x4 said:
A lot of people are over-complicating this, I think. Use an arrow with the correct spine for your bow/poundage. Find a broadhead that shoots well out of your bow, screw it on, and go hunting. Take ethical shots, hit them where you're supposed to, and they will go down.

I am not changing a thing with my arrows because what I have now works. I started using Swhacker broadheads a couple years ago because I didn't like the way the old tried and true Muzzy 3 blade was flying out of my newer, faster bow. I know a lot of folks think these things are junk and rip on them because of their marketing or whatever. My experience with these has been great so far.

The blood trails have actually been pretty bad, but that's only because the deer that I have killed with them died so fast, they literally didn't have a chance to start bleeding. I am talking like, 50 yards or less and DOWN. I practically have to scoop the lungs out with a ladle. Here are 3 exit holes I've had with my current arrow setup and Swhacker head. (Note: "Your mileage may vary")

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Why would I change? Oh, and here's the latest track job I had last October. Hmm, I wonder where he went... :D
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Won't always work out that way.....this is a broadside hit that contacted rib....no penetration and lost deer. I suspect single lung because the little blood I found had air bubbles

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The everyman's guide to killing a deer with a compound bow...

Will an expandable broadhead on a light arrow kill a deer? Yes. Can you kill a deer at 50 yards with a bow? Yes. Is a 7 pin sight useful? Sure. Is the Ranch Fairy annoying? Yes. Is Ashby god? Sometimes it seems that way. Can everyone just shut up? I've learned the answer is no. Ok...
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I haven’t changed much on my setup. I learned last year that if I hit heavy bone with a rage it’s not penetrating. The two I hit a little further back went down in sight. Would I have killed the first deer with heavy cut on contact two blade broadheads? I’m not sure. The one I lost wasn’t the broadheads fault. It was me shooting over a limb to drop an arrow into the vitals that I couldn’t see on a deer that was over 30 yards away and alert to my presence.
Lesson learned

Now on my recurve I shoot two blade 200 grain single bevel grizzly broadheads. I need the extra weight so I can get enough penetration on those 80 yard shots. All I can say so far is they penetrate amazingly well into the dirt at 15 yards after missing deer.
 
Nutterbuster said:
Because I get passthroughs with my current setup.

Because the stuff I buy is available cheaply and readily at any archery shop in the US, and I have a lot of it stockpiled from when I'd snap it up during clearance sales with my employee discount.

Because as nice as TRAJECTORY is, MOMENTUM is nice too.

Because saddle hunting has reminded me how much I dislike hype trains.

Because advocates preaching physics to me after I spent 5 years doing the stuff 40 hours a week irritates me, and I'm a stubborn person.

If the average guy is shooting an average bow loaded with an average arrow at an average deer...on average the average guy is the weak link. My paycheck depended on guys screwing up and then looking for gear to blame.

.270 or .308 or 30-06? Who cares, they will all kill the deer more times than they won't. Same with modern archery tackle.
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I think someone shooting a heavy easton aluminum shaft in the 90's or 00's could make these same arguments and criticisms when the "light" carbon arrow craze started off and everyone was switching to what is now the standard. Its interesting how the status quo changes and pendulum swings not just on what is "popular" but also what products are readily available. I'm not convinced either is necessarily "better" but each have their own strengths and weaknesses that people should weigh as they decide what their priorities are. You make some very valid points here that many many deer get killed with the fast stuff every year with great success.
 
I believe the fast and light movement started because archers were trying to beat “string jump” now I believe the the fairy duster movement started because people realize you can not beat “string jump” both setups has, will and always will work 80 percent of the time without fault...we are flinging arrows at a dynamic target nothing is going to be absolute
 
rhagenw said:
I believe the fast and light movement started because archers were trying to beat “string jump” now I believe the the fairy duster movement started because people realize you can not beat “string jump” both setups has, will and always will work 80 percent of the time without fault...we are flinging arrows at a dynamic target nothing is going to be absolute
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Agreed.


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550 grain, high quality COC head guy here...but as some have mentioned, the most important aspect to ALL of this is to get your bow tuned...if you get an arrow flying straight out of your bow and not much energy is lost, you’ll be fine inside of 30-35 yards...Arrow flight is paramount in my opinion...knowing how to tune your bow (correct cam timing, correct centershot, etc.) is the key to good penetration...I know the OP asked about benefits of lighter setups...I’m a heavy arrow guy and believe in that, but I believe in good arrow flight first and foremost. Many people blame the components or the bow or whatever else, but if they don’t get their setup tuned, that seems to be the issue...if the fletchings are having to work hard to correct a bad power stroke from the bow, penetration will suck no matter the setup...get the nock flying right behind the point and many issues are alleviated
 
bj139 said:
I started watching Ranch Fairy. I don't think I got to 5 minutes.
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I could only get through it when he was on with The Hunting Public guys, who are 1,000,000,000 more likable. I'm sure he knows what he's talking about, and I'm actually interested in what he has to say, but good gracious is he obnoxious and pompous (much like Jeff Sturgis)...
 
TNbowhunter said:
I could only get through it when he was on with The Hunting Public guys, who are 1,000,000,000 more likable. I'm sure he knows what he's talking about, and I'm actually interested in what he has to say, but good gracious is he obnoxious and pompous (much like Jeff Sturgis)...
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And I’ve said this before, but he’s not a great teacher...almost like that professor in college who knew the information but had no ability to teach it—you had to learn it on your own...somebody who not only understands it but can TEACH it in a way that is easy to follow for the average guy needs to start a YouTube channel...they’d make a killing
 
All of those "tics" on the fletching represent a whitetail that has been killed with that arrow, except 3 more have been added since this pic was taken. I also have a couple "tics" for turkeys, and never bothered for the woodchucks I shot with it. If it's not broke....
 

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I shoot 400 gr arrows at 70 lbs with fixed 4-blades and haven't had any issues. The one time I didn't get a pass through with this setup I broke the opposite side humerus. I get the heavy arrow movement but for me it's just not necessary on deer and I do not have the time. That and I guess trajectory is just more important to me than trying to punch through the scapula. I will say though, I think there's more merit to the heavy arrow argument when talking lower poundage or short draws.
 
BenG said:
I shoot 400 gr arrows at 70 lbs with fixed 4-blades and haven't had any issues. The one time I didn't get a pass through with this setup I broke the opposite side humerus. I get the heavy arrow movement but for me it's just not necessary on deer and I do not have the time. That and I guess trajectory is just more important to me than trying to punch through the scapula. I will say though, I think there's more merit to the heavy arrow argument when talking lower poundage or short draws.
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Yeah I have a 26" draw length. Only way to increase my horsepower is go up in draw weight and/or heavier arrows. I needed some more arrows anyway. I'm just going to a stiffer spined Axis. I got some 100 grain brass inserts from 3Rivers for $19 and some 165 grain Simmons Tiger Sharks that were like $41. Don't have to spend a lot of money for a setup. Cheaper than getting a new bow or limbs. I'm not shooting fast as it is. Might as well go heavy and keep em close.
 
I shoot a 403 grains Carbon Express Maxima hunter arrow and I'm not changing. My Goldtip XT hunters at 397 grains both arrows are 28 inches. I been shooting this setup for a long time and I don't see any reason to change. It works for me.
 
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