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Why don't yall 2TC?

GeoFish said:

I want to try 2TC again this year. I am looking at the things I did not like about it in the past. I have a new custom saddle coming that will give me a shorter bridge. The other thing I did not like was standing on one foot with my leg wrapped around the tree. I want to try two-foot loops with a linesman rope. Without me searching through 3000 posts is a video of someone climbing with two-foot loops?​

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Since Arsenal discontinued their larger size:

I haven't tried it yet but plan to
 
CharlieTN said:
I do remember it being mentioned and I know at one point Jerry at CGM offered a double foot loop with a bridge between them that would probably work pretty good for that. You might reach out to him, he might still offer it. I imagine you would NOT want to try it with two independent foot loops as the tendency to kick out could be worse.

A lot of times I climb 1-stick with a lineman’s just for that added sense of stability, it helps me to relax as I climb and keeps me from sweating and such so much. I don’t see why it wouldn’t work with this method, especially with double foot loops.
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I actually asked Jerry on the phone about this today. He said they have it, but I didn't see it on the website. I'm guessing it's available as a custom order.
 
Antirain said:
I had thought the 2 stirrup idea might help as well but havent tried. Jerry had said that for him it "sucked" and "Maneuvering the double stirrup whilst pushing myself away from the tree was a challenge."
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I had considered it when I saw the double foot loop that used to be on his site but I imagined the moves for me wouldn’t be the easiest, sort of a bound up frog action. Plus if something were to go awry, you wouldn’t have a free leg to balance with or catch yourself with.
 
CharlieTN said:
I had considered it when I saw the double foot loop that used to be on his site but I imagined the moves for me wouldn’t be the easiest, sort of a bound up frog action. Plus if something were to go awry, you wouldn’t have a free leg to balance with or catch yourself with.
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Yes and you just can't lift your legs nearly as high in double stirrup as you can in single footloop form.
However, if there is an inkling of interest in trying that, just tie up a double footloop with some water knots and a 1.5" webbing at the hardware store. JRB has a great video for it if you really don't know how to do it yourself.
That way you'll know for sure which way is better for you.
 
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okay this is the latest iteration of setup.

only got two small climbs in but i was able to get to this and pretty much dig it. observations/considerations are:
- really prefer the distel hitches to ropeman1/using rappel line. makes taking up slack/adding slack much easier one-handed. also useful for keeping footloop line in place - grab line, move distel hitch up to secure, step into footloop!
- the 15' footloop line is probably 3' too long? i climbed the tree pictured after climbing just a little on a cow oak that was probably 50% bigger. and there was still a good bit of tag end hanging. i tried a blake's hitch with the Sterling HTP but it is so stiff that it doesn't quite bite the rope right; and I also think overall the 2" webbing is better anyway.
- need to remember to put loop on left hand side! makes moving lines much easier as a righty.
- i still struggle with the lines wanting to 'fall' when trying to move them up. but I think with an aid to help move them up, that will be less of an issue.

i definitely felt like I could see this being my main way to climb and becoming easier with practice. i very much like the minimal slack/always being tethered to the tree.
 
mschultz373 said:
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okay this is the latest iteration of setup.

only got two small climbs in but i was able to get to this and pretty much dig it. observations/considerations are:
- really prefer the distel hitches to ropeman1/using rappel line. makes taking up slack/adding slack much easier one-handed. also useful for keeping footloop line in place - grab line, move distel hitch up to secure, step into footloop!
- the 15' footloop line is probably 3' too long? i climbed the tree pictured after climbing just a little on a cow oak that was probably 50% bigger. and there was still a good bit of tag end hanging. i tried a blake's hitch with the Sterling HTP but it is so stiff that it doesn't quite bite the rope right; and I also think overall the 2" webbing is better anyway.
- need to remember to put loop on left hand side! makes moving lines much easier as a righty.
- i still struggle with the lines wanting to 'fall' when trying to move them up. but I think with an aid to help move them up, that will be less of an issue.

i definitely felt like I could see this being my main way to climb and becoming easier with practice. i very much like the minimal slack/always being tethered to the tree.
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One thing that will help with the tethers dropping is to put a castration band on the loop itself. Once you have the tether on the tree slide the castration band up till it’s close to the running end that passes through the loop. Helps a lot.
 
mschultz373 said:
View attachment 101360
okay this is the latest iteration of setup.

only got two small climbs in but i was able to get to this and pretty much dig it. observations/considerations are:
- really prefer the distel hitches to ropeman1/using rappel line. makes taking up slack/adding slack much easier one-handed. also useful for keeping footloop line in place - grab line, move distel hitch up to secure, step into footloop!
- the 15' footloop line is probably 3' too long? i climbed the tree pictured after climbing just a little on a cow oak that was probably 50% bigger. and there was still a good bit of tag end hanging. i tried a blake's hitch with the Sterling HTP but it is so stiff that it doesn't quite bite the rope right; and I also think overall the 2" webbing is better anyway.
- need to remember to put loop on left hand side! makes moving lines much easier as a righty.
- i still struggle with the lines wanting to 'fall' when trying to move them up. but I think with an aid to help move them up, that will be less of an issue.

i definitely felt like I could see this being my main way to climb and becoming easier with practice. i very much like the minimal slack/always being tethered to the tree.
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You're off to a great start and it seems like the technique is starting to click. There's a point where it just makes sense once you practice it enough. Don't try to go too high up at first. Practice low and slow. Once you master the moves, you can go as high as you like by just adding more moves.
 
CharlieTN said:
Here’s a couple of videos that show it off. Jerry Grose only uses it on larger trees. It appears that Jerry Mills uses it most of the time if not all of the time. The Thigh loop goes on the leg you’re not using to stand up with. It attaches to your main tether and is basically tensioned along with your main tether to your saddle when you sit back in the saddle. For me I find it helps me to be more stable as I move up my foot tether, thus keeping me relaxed. Jerry Grose (Custom Gear Modifications) does not make the thigh loop pictured here anymore and just sells his foot loop to be used. The thigh loop wasn’t designed to be strong enough for life-bearing but some people were using it that way so he went to just the foot loop which is meant to hold your full weight.

I mount mine like the second video, above my safeguard so that I can adjust the safeguard as I need to. Also, sliding up the friction knot helps to keep the rappel rope tether in place.


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I suppose I'm going to need to be right there and watch someone using the thigh loop. These two videos didn't focus on it long enough to give me a solid understanding.

Maybe we can organize a get-together or two for in-person demonstrations?
I started this thread to give this idea more focus
 
Can someone explain what exactly is going on here? Is his tether looped through on both sides of his saddle bridge loops?


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In my setup I’m using C-IV as my rappel rope/tether and I went with 6mm TRC for the foot tether. So far I’m liking it a lot. I carry a separate lineman’s rope out of 8mm Restech so I wasn’t worried about having the foot tether as a separate life-bearing tether.
 
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Crcusmonky said:
I thought you were using the blue water assault for the main tether and predator for the foot tether? Did you decide to switch?


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You are right...sorry, I'm operating on a few hours' sleep. Thanks for catching that. Yes, I do use 11.5mm Bluewater.
 
Can one of ya'll 2TC experts explain my kit to me?

I have two foot loops, an amsteel prussic, and a carabiner. One foot loop has a long webbing attached with a loop in the end. This is the CGM Kit.

Is the long webbing with loop intended to be my bottom tether, or am I suppose to loop it around a different tether?

Does the prussik go on my top tether, then hook into the other foot loop (leg loop?) Via the carabiner?

I thought the leg loop was supposed to have elastic to keep it on my leg, but I cannot see any way to keep it on my leg as the little straps buckle vertically rather than around the loop to be able to tighten.

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BT
 
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