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Why don't yall 2TC?

goody94 said:

Here is an experiment that I did today. 2 foot loops and no leg loop. The bottom foot loop is fixed to my foot with an elastic band and the top loop my foot can come in and out of. I tried it with a leg loop the way most people are doing it and didn’t find it any easier than this (but I may be doing something incorrectly). Let me know what feedback you have on this set up for 2tc. I’m not sure it’s actually much faster but it didn’t seem that terribly difficult overall and I was practicing on a fairly large tree in the video. Probably was moving about 3 feet per move if I had to guess.

Again this is like my 3rd time ever doing this so I’m sure there are many things to improve. Just interested to hear others thoughts. Only went a couple moves up to keep the video on the shorter side.
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Killed it!
 
I got nothing to add. Looks like a winner to me. I thought you looked very proficient. If that was your third time trying it, you are going to be getting up the tree very quickly by hunting season. Effortlessly too.

you are more flexible in the knees then I am. You were getting great distance too. You’ll be to hunting height in 6-7 moves. Like 20 feet high. Awesome job.
 
WV Mountaineer said:
I got nothing to add. Looks like a winner to me. I thought you looked very proficient. If that was your third time trying it, you are going to be getting up the tree very quickly by hunting season. Effortlessly too.

you are more flexible in the knees then I am. You were getting great distance too. You’ll be to hunting height in 6-7 moves. Like 20 feet high. Awesome job.
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Thanks @WV Mountaineer . One thing I liked but did not expect was how my bottom foot held the second loop steady for me to get my next foot in. This made it easier.

One thing I did not like was that my carabiner was rotating a bit inside of my safeguard. At times rotating onto the gate. This is a very big safety issue in my opinion. If I continue using this climbing method I will need to think of a way to prevent that from happening. Perhaps with some flexible rubber wire or something to lock into its place.
 
goody94 said:
Thanks @WV Mountaineer . One thing I liked but did not expect was how my bottom foot held the second loop steady for me to get my next foot in. This made it easier.

One thing I did not like was that my carabiner was rotating a bit inside of my safeguard. At times rotating onto the gate. This is a very big safety issue in my opinion. If I continue using this climbing method I will need to think of a way to prevent that from happening. Perhaps with some flexible rubber wire or something to lock into its place.
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Get a locking carabiner or do what I intend to do, don't use the safeguard on the ascent. I found that I kept hitting mine too, and it makes some noise. I will just use a distel hitch and carabiner straight to my belay loop. Then, when I descend I will hook into my safeguard before unclipping from the main tether carabiner.

Thank you for posting this video. It is exactly what I had in mind and will now build out two foot loops and revisit this method. Really great job.
 
Thank you @Red Beard for gathering, photographing, weighing, and posting. That's super helpful and much appreciated. You are a good dude for doing all of that.

4.16 lbs (assuming a rappel setup), and vastly superior packability to other public land legal systems.

Gives me much to contemplate.
 
fawnzy said:
If you’re going to carry a rappel rope, this guy has an interesting version



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what about passing a branch? seems like a lot of tying/ untying of those figure 8's just to not carry an 8 foot section of rope. and then he carries a 8' long strap foot loop anyway- he could have just used this strap as a second tether, no? i'm no 2TC expert, but i don't see the value add here.

I need to practice more with this type of climbing this summer to see how much i'll use it. at the end of last season still felt more comfortable using sticks going up and sticks/ rappel down. but i carried a LB, tether, and 50' of rope every time i climbed (my full length hawk heliums) by the end of the season anyway...so pretty over-geared by many people's standards and incorrectly geared by others.
 
TNSTAAFL said:
Thank you @Red Beard for gathering, photographing, weighing, and posting. That's super helpful and much appreciated. You are a good dude for doing all of that.

4.16 lbs (assuming a rappel setup), and vastly superior packability to other public land legal systems.

Gives me much to contemplate.
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Oh no brother... I'm so sorry it didn't come across the way I meant it. Those two packages weren't supposed to be added together into a single measurement. Those numbers were the whole shebang in the two separate configurations you asked for!

The entire system when just utilizing the two tethers weighs 1.66lbs. This is everything in the first photo inside an EWO fleece pouch.

Separately, the entire 2TC/rappel system weighs 2.46lbs. This is everything in the first photo except the Yates screamer and the actual 9mm HTP tether (rope only) because I use 37' Canyon C-IV as the main tether in this configuration. Everything is in a water bottle pouch instead of the EWO pouch. This package also accounts for the Safeguard inside.
 
Red Beard said:
Oh no brother... I'm so sorry it didn't come across the way I meant it. Those two packages weren't supposed to be added together into a single measurement. Those numbers were the whole shebang in the two separate configurations you asked for!
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I'm sorry that I'm so confused and if I am confusing others. Appreciate the clarification. Impressive weight and bulk reduction. More to consider.
 
Still patiently awaiting the arrival of my TX5 so I can start practicing out back. Plan also to start without the leg strap. Bringing this thread back to life has got me fired up.
 
Man,now i have to try yet another climbing method once the snow is gone. At least this one is cheap,so nothing lost there. I have some extra samson predator rope to fool around with.
Thanks for posting this i guess...:p
 
Bowmanmike said:
Man,now i have to try yet another climbing method once the snow is gone. At least this one is cheap,so nothing lost there. I have some extra samson predator rope to fool around with.
Thanks for posting this i guess...:p
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Get a hold of Jerry Grose. He’ll help you tremendously.
 
Same reason as I am not interested in one sticking...just seems to much like using a climber...may practice for a self rescue scenario?
 
fawnzy said:
If you’re going to carry a rappel rope, this guy has an interesting version



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Why not tie two quick links to both ends so you don’t have to tie all those figure eights around the tree every time you climb? Edit: just remembered that you would have to remove the quick link in the tail to retrieve your rope after rappelling down.
 
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seems simple to rappel with the same line you use as your tether. Hook into it the normal way via prusik/distel/whatever, and keep excess rope in a sys hauler/pouch or even a backpack attached to the tree. then when you want to rappel.
1. clip in your device, for me an ATC, to line below the "tether" prusik
2. attach an autoblock from your linesman loop to the rope.
3. shift weight from "tether" prusik to autoblock/brake hand by standing up a bit on platform/whatever
3. unclip "tether" prusik once you are sure the autoblock has grabbed and set.
4. start descending
 
Yes, it can be safer and simpler than that. I rig on the ground and don't change any thing at height. 35' of line feeds out of my right Sys hauler through a BD Guide ATC attached to the bridge and up to the tree as a tether. Above the ATC there is either a VT prusik (6mm TRC) or a autoblock (19" hollowblock). This serves the purpose of a standard prusik to adjust the distance to the tree, but maintains the full strength of the main line if the prusik fails. A prusik is usually the weakest link in a system. Below the ATC and attached to my right lineman's loop is a 13" hollowblock tied as a autoblock for back up and to keep slight tension on the ATC. I also climb with a left foot loop girth hitched to the tree, supper easy and fast. When the hunt is over all that's required to come down is to apply grip pressure to the hitches above and below the ATC. It's a controlled smooth descent and if you turn loose of either hitch the other will hold you where you're at, ie. to take your platform off. Once on the ground I temporarily take the line out of the ATC and feed it back into the right pouch and the reconnect the ACT for next time. Most of the time it never touches the ground and is nice in a swamp.
 
NorthFourty said:
Yes, it can be safer and simpler than that. I rig on the ground and don't change any thing at height. 35' of line feeds out of my right Sys hauler through a BD Guide ATC attached to the bridge and up to the tree as a tether. Above the ATC there is either a VT prusik (6mm TRC) or a autoblock (19" hollowblock). This serves the purpose of a standard prusik to adjust the distance to the tree, but maintains the full strength of the main line if the prusik fails. A prusik is usually the weakest link in a system. Below the ATC and attached to my right lineman's loop is a 13" hollowblock tied as a autoblock for back up and to keep slight tension on the ATC. I also climb with a left foot loop girth hitched to the tree, supper easy and fast. When the hunt is over all that's required to come down is to apply grip pressure to the hitches above and below the ATC. It's a controlled smooth descent and if you turn loose of either hitch the other will hold you where you're at, ie. to take your platform off. Once on the ground I temporarily take the line out of the ATC and feed it back into the right pouch and the reconnect the ACT for next time. Most of the time it never touches the ground and is nice in a swamp.
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Can you post a pic of that set-up?
 
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