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Why don't yall 2TC?

I’m sure there’s more photos of setups in this thread, but 90 pages is a lot to sort through :sweatsmile: Can I see some more 2tc set ups? Or should I make a separate thread for that? Thanks!
 
Mschmeiske said:
I’m sure there’s more photos of setups in this thread, but 90 pages is a lot to sort through :sweatsmile: Can I see some more 2tc set ups? Or should I make a separate thread for that? Thanks!
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2 tethers of your choice.
2 hitches of your choice.
1 or 2 foot loops of your choice.

I use 11mm HTP or predator main rope and 8 or 9mm RIT/ECW eye to eyes for the hitches. I use prusiks on both tethers. I use a Garda footloop for my foot loop. I carry 2 spare carabiners for reconfiguring for large trees or bypassing limbs.

If you already saddle hunt I would use your tether you already have to try it out.
 
NMSbowhunter said:
It sounds like you are on the right track. I would omit the delta links in the beginning and just use a loop on the end of your tethers. The delta link is something I played around with in the beginning and there is a lot of additional fiddle factor to it. To start out and get the hang of 2TC you want everything to be as simple as possible.

You need a top tether with an adjustment on it., like a ropeman. You need a foot tether with some sort of loop that is adjustable. That is really all you need. Remember, you are just trying baby steps here. Once you master this you can add other things later. At this point keep it simple. Also, choose a straight limbless tree about basketball diameter. There is no need to try to pass limbs, etc. That is for when you can climb 20 feet in 5 to 6 minutes without thinking about it. Master climbing up and down, then worry about limbs.

For starters. keep the 2TC set up as basic as possible. Climb about two moves up and two moves down. Learn the mechanics of the moves before you try to go high up. Just try it out low and slow and then later try going a bit higher.

From the materials you have on hand, a simple loop of tubular webbing tied with a water knot clipped onto a carabiner on a ropeman would serve well as a foot loop for now on your foot tether.

Here is a picture of a simple 2TC setup I use. It is a tether made of 11.4mm Bluewater assault line with a ropeman 1 on it, the foot tether is Samson Predator 11.4mm with a Blakes hitch for adjustment.
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What length of predator did you use to make the foot tether with the blake's hitch. Total length of rope before the knots. Sorry if you've mentioned it before. Gonna start following this thread a little closer.
 
Mschmeiske said:
I’m sure there’s more photos of setups in this thread, but 90 pages is a lot to sort through :sweatsmile: Can I see some more 2tc set ups? Or should I make a separate thread for that? Thanks!
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Top picture is my hunting setup for this season. It is 11.4mm Bluewater Assault line with a Rope man 1 for my tether and a 11.4 mm samson predator foot tether with a Blakes hitch for foot loop and a Distel hitch with a wire gate carabiner for crossing limbs and as a backpack holder. I use a ring of steps. The whole thing fits in a backpack and I can climb some pretty large diameter trees.
 

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Andrew said:
What length of predator did you use to make the foot tether with the blake's hitch. Total length of rope before the knots. Sorry if you've mentioned it before. Gonna start following this thread a little closer.
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I have pretty much the same foot tethers as he uses but mine are probably a little bit shorter.
I think mine are around 11 feet long before knots?

You can always cut the tag end off of a long rope after you find out just how you want it but it's kinda tough to stretch them out a foot or so...

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Yes, I think my foot tether is made of 14 feet of Predator rope before the knots are tied if memory serves correctly. The main tether is about 10 but I have a couple of new ones and I made them a couple of feet longer. I like to climb big trees for the cover if I can.
 
Andrew said:
What length of predator did you use to make the foot tether with the blake's hitch. Total length of rope before the knots. Sorry if you've mentioned it before. Gonna start following this thread a little closer.
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I think it is 14 feet before the knots are tied. Go with 15, you can always trim it a little if you need too.
 
2TC setups can be made considerably lighter and smaller. I have two kits that come in under a pound. The one on the left weighs 14.1 OZ, the one on the right weighs 15.6 OZ. Both use an Amsteel foot loop. The kit on the left is Canyon C-IV rope with a Kong Slyde. The one on the right is HTP static with a Distel hitch and wire gate carabiner (probably be just over a pound with a screw gate. Recommended by the way).

The heavier ropes in 11.4 mm are really no bother. These two just show what can be done without getting far down the weight reduction path. I will probably outfit one of these with a Kong Duck and a 2nd carabiner on the foot tether for my backpack and hunt off it some this fall.

The climb pictured below was made on the set to the left. Right at 5 minutes to 20 plus feet.
 

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Alright, so I tried it for about 10 minutes today using my existing tether and linesman's as my two tethers. I made the 1" webbing foot loop suggested on my last post. My initial thoughts are that I need more practice. I was fine standing on the footloop and sliding up the top tether. The problem came when I had to sit down and dig a knee in. I couldn't keep a grip on the tree with my non looped foot and either it was sliding down the tree (if I tried to keep the front of my foot there instead of a knee) or I was rolling to a side of the tree if I just put my knee on the tree. I think the bulk of the problem is the length of tether. I still have my ropeman1's on both tethers for adjustability and I think I need to find the length that works and leave it there. The tree was a basketball sized telephone pole of a tree with moderate bark (not too smooth like a beech, not too rough like a shagbark hickory). I think its an oak, but can't remember. No lean.

All that said, if I can get the hang of this I can see where I would like it. Swinging aside, its easy to step up and make progress once you get steady. And I'm using my 11mm ropes with caribeaners (three in total) and ropemans (two total). Its not the lightest setup even and I bet there's a pound that can come out of it, not counting the 13 lb of sticks I'm carrying now. Need some practice when its sunny and not 30 degrees.
 
casts_by_fly said:
Alright, so I tried it for about 10 minutes today using my existing tether and linesman's as my two tethers. I made the 1" webbing foot loop suggested on my last post. My initial thoughts are that I need more practice. I was fine standing on the footloop and sliding up the top tether. The problem came when I had to sit down and dig a knee in. I couldn't keep a grip on the tree with my non looped foot and either it was sliding down the tree (if I tried to keep the front of my foot there instead of a knee) or I was rolling to a side of the tree if I just put my knee on the tree. I think the bulk of the problem is the length of tether. I still have my ropeman1's on both tethers for adjustability and I think I need to find the length that works and leave it there. The tree was a basketball sized telephone pole of a tree with moderate bark (not too smooth like a beech, not too rough like a shagbark hickory). I think its an oak, but can't remember. No lean.

All that said, if I can get the hang of this I can see where I would like it. Swinging aside, its easy to step up and make progress once you get steady. And I'm using my 11mm ropes with caribeaners (three in total) and ropemans (two total). Its not the lightest setup even and I bet there's a pound that can come out of it, not counting the 13 lb of sticks I'm carrying now. Need some practice when its sunny and not 30 degrees.
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Sounds like you are off to a better start with 2tc than I was when I first tried it. Figuring out the tether height is just something you will have to play around with. It is sort of like learning to use a climber and judging at what angle to start at the bottom of the tree so the base will be level when you get to height. It just takes a little experience.

When you sit back after advancing your tether, let gravity suspend you and don't fight it and put you both knees sort of straddling the tree. Don't completely straddle the tree and don't have your knees dug into the tree either. Just a happy medium.

2TC just takes a little time and practice to figure out but it is worth it.
 
casts_by_fly said:
Alright, so I tried it for about 10 minutes today using my existing tether and linesman's as my two tethers. I made the 1" webbing foot loop suggested on my last post. My initial thoughts are that I need more practice. I was fine standing on the footloop and sliding up the top tether. The problem came when I had to sit down and dig a knee in. I couldn't keep a grip on the tree with my non looped foot and either it was sliding down the tree (if I tried to keep the front of my foot there instead of a knee) or I was rolling to a side of the tree if I just put my knee on the tree. I think the bulk of the problem is the length of tether. I still have my ropeman1's on both tethers for adjustability and I think I need to find the length that works and leave it there. The tree was a basketball sized telephone pole of a tree with moderate bark (not too smooth like a beech, not too rough like a shagbark hickory). I think its an oak, but can't remember. No lean.

All that said, if I can get the hang of this I can see where I would like it. Swinging aside, its easy to step up and make progress once you get steady. And I'm using my 11mm ropes with caribeaners (three in total) and ropemans (two total). Its not the lightest setup even and I bet there's a pound that can come out of it, not counting the 13 lb of sticks I'm carrying now. Need some practice when its sunny and not 30 degrees.
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Keep practicing when it's cold, that's when the best deer hunting happens....
 
Samcirrus said:
So it is rectangular edge trim for doors used on aircraft and cars, trucks etc. I found some on Amazon...which is very similar to ours...
Basically you can have 1 main peice on your rope and have extra strips of say 10" and add them on depending on the diameter of the tree. They positively will not fall off an 8mm rope and barely fit on my 11mm rope so I think 10mm will be fine.
The teeth inside keep it on, and if you don't need it anymore just pull it off.
It grips the tree great, doesn't roll off and make the tether extremely easy to move up the tree without handles! Will demonstrate in a video ASAP.

Car Door Rubber Seal Strip, Fits 1/16" Edge, Trim Seal with Top Bulb for Cars, Boats, RVs, Trucks, and Home Applications, Automotive Weather Striping (10Ft) https://a.co/d/ilCzAIYView attachment 70088
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Samcirrus said:
So it is rectangular edge trim for doors used on aircraft and cars, trucks etc. I found some on Amazon...which is very similar to ours...
Basically you can have 1 main peice on your rope and have extra strips of say 10" and add them on depending on the diameter of the tree. They positively will not fall off an 8mm rope and barely fit on my 11mm rope so I think 10mm will be fine.
The teeth inside keep it on, and if you don't need it anymore just pull it off.
It grips the tree great, doesn't roll off and make the tether extremely easy to move up the tree without handles! Will demonstrate in a video ASAP.

Car Door Rubber Seal Strip, Fits 1/16" Edge, Trim Seal with Top Bulb for Cars, Boats, RVs, Trucks, and Home Applications, Automotive Weather Striping (10Ft) https://a.co/d/ilCzAIYView attachment 70088
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Very interested in the tether stiffener material that you used. I've done quite a bit of searching (amazon, google, etc.) and find it fairly difficult to find a product that has the specs that, I think, you are using. I've looked at some of the other replies that you've provided and they all seem to be a little different (one holding ear, smaller, etc.) and some of this stuff is like $70. Can you provide any info on where the stuff you used came from? What model car, airplane part, etc so I can try to get the same stuff. Just don't want to order the wrong thing considering some of the prices. Thanks a ton! Great idea!!
 
joel said:
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Very interested in the tether stiffener material that you used. I've done quite a bit of searching (amazon, google, etc.) and find it fairly difficult to find a product that has the specs that, I think, you are using. I've looked at some of the other replies that you've provided and they all seem to be a little different (one holding ear, smaller, etc.) and some of this stuff is like $70. Can you provide any info on where the stuff you used came from? What model car, airplane part, etc so I can try to get the same stuff. Just don't want to order the wrong thing considering some of the prices. Thanks a ton! Great idea!!
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Use this.
https://www.grainger.com/product/TR...0C933?opr=PDPRRDSP&analytics=dsrrItems_10C951
1 rubber finger inside is plenty...the one I use has 2 rubber fingers and I've cut 1 off for easier adjustment. I still recommend this stuff and my ropes i use for 2TC have very little wear on the tree section.
 
Seems like the real experts at climbing trees are Arborists, they climb trees every day as a living, and unlike backyard saddle makers Arborist Grade Saddles have OSHA standards to meet and all sorts of other standards to meet ? That is why I chose to go with a more expensive and a bit heavier Petzl Sequoia. I wear it in so I don’t really feel the extra weight but I sure FEEL a lot more secure.

and as far as 2TC, again what do the Arborists use ? I bet they aren’t climbing using the inch worm method of 2TC. What is wrong with this as a method ? Arborists have been using this method for generations.
 
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