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Saddle Death… Stay safe out there.

rambotogo said:
Maybe if he was one sticking and the stick kicked out? Add in a little slack in the rope ? Could see it happening ,but just a pure guess . It could happen to anyone go slow ,think and have a backup plan for sure . Praying for the family .
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He was very active on the JRB group. I assume he was using a JRB method, slipped and got his foot stuck in the ropes, hanging him upside down. Very unfortunate…

Makes me rethink one sticking also. Safety should be our number one priority. At the end of the day I need to come home. I have 2 kids I have to take care of and provide for.
 
Being inverted for just a second or two could or would be life or death for some if not all. I'm not sure anyone could be ready for that with anything that we could carry.
 
rhagenw said:
Prayers for the family, what can we do if we wound upside down? My emergency lowering plan is to use my tether and a pair of folding screw in steps and inch my way down.nevrt thought what I would do if I wasn't upright.
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I know I certainly am not as fit or strong as I once was. I do have an inversion table. I have tried doing sit-ups upside down and was not very successful. Also, with all the blood rushing to your head you don’t have long before you are passing out.
 
rhagenw said:
Prayers for the family, what can we do if we wound upside down? My emergency lowering plan is to use my tether and a pair of folding screw in steps and inch my way down.nevrt thought what I would do if I wasn't upright.
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If you leave your tether tail long, you can grab it and use it help get yourself back upright but if you are injured badly in the fall, disoriented from the fall or unconscious from hitting your head, there’s nothing you can do. Going inverted is extremely dangerous
 
HuumanCreed said:
YES, please everyone have some kind of backup leg loop or backup tether. They have them built into almost all tree stand safety harness, it cost you nothing in weight. You can always 2TC down at snail pace, but you'll get home.
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the loops built into the box store safety harnesses are suspension relief straps to keep your legs from being squeezed too hard (choking arteries etc)....a rescue foot loop helps you climb the tree....probably like what is done with 2TC.....if you have a lineman's, a tether, and a daisy chain....i believe what you can do is like an emergency 2TC climb down (if i'm understanding 2TC)
 
davidallenjoy said:
I do something similar, but I’ve just always carried extra prusik loops with me. I’ve only ever needed it once but when I did it was a savior. Lost my one stick and was hanging. I climb on a prusik so the knot had cinched and I couldn’t get above it. Wound up tying that extra prusik loop on and running it down to my boot. Stood up in it and got above my tether prusik. I rappel on a Safeguard and at that point I latched in and removed both prusik and rappelled down. If I hadn’t had that other prusik with me though I don’t know what I’d have done. That’s an easy thing to carry.


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foot loop works no matter how you climb....the foot loop goes around the tree and acts like the bottom of a climbing tree stand while your tether acts like the top of the climber....i carry a rescue foot loop while climbing with sticks or steps

i probably wont' be the best one to describe it....but this topic deserves it's own thread since how to do it might not be common knowledge here yet

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rescue foot loop to climb down from tree only using tether......NOT a rope technique or for suspension trauma

I had someone ask me about this, so i'll just post my PM explanation to him here i think everyone should know how to do this, if i get anything wrong then please make suggestions here start quote............ f you don't have a 6 to 8 foot daisy chain to mess with, you can make a toy one to...
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enkriss said:
He was very active on the JRB group. I assume he was using a JRB method, slipped and got his foot stuck in the ropes, hanging him upside down. Very unfortunate…

Makes me rethink one sticking also. Safety should be our number one priority. At the end of the day I need to come home. I have 2 kids I have to take care of and provide for.
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With JRB my understanding is you are always under your connection point so slipping on the foot loop shouldn’t have made him go inverted unless he has a saddle that is only pulling from the bottom strap like the one tailgunner likes so much. Again this is all speculation because none of us have the details. All I know is this is very sad but with all the new saddle hunters and builders out here forgetting safety to be lighter or faster, there will be a lot more of these instances that we will hear about. It’s heartbreaking. Like you I have 2 children that I want to come home to and a wife who counts on me. No deer in the woods will ever be more important to me than them
 
gumby said:
Being inverted for just a second or two could or would be life or death for some if not all. I'm not sure anyone could be ready for that with anything that we could carry.
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it depends upon....if you have an aider girth hitched to your boot and you are hanging by the aider, then you might be right

if you're upside down and only your tether is holding you to the the tree.....you can use the tree and your body to right yourself in most circumstance

go hang upside down at ground level safely (someone there) and see for yourself....everyone should probably do that a few times
 
Fl Canopy Stalker said:
If you leave your tether tail long, you can grab it and use it help get yourself back upright but if you are injured badly in the fall, disoriented from the fall or unconscious from hitting your head, there’s nothing you can do. Going inverted is extremely dangerous
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Dissoriented is the key. It would be like a car crash. I don't think we could find an aider or something to help us out of it. A knife may be a good idea but now we are landing on our head on the ground.
 
barlow96 said:
It’s sad, but I don’t see how someone can invert and then not get themselves fixed back right. I am thinking he died upright from natural causes and they found him hanging upside down. I would like to see the autopsy.
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That’s a good point. Using a tether to climb actually makes me feel more nervous than using a lineman’s belt personally.
 
Blacksmith said:
Dissoriented is the key. It would be like a car crash. I don't think we could find an aider or something to help us out of it. A knife may be a good idea but now we are landing on our head on the ground.
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I am the opposite, a knife bad advice. I have taking over 120 hours of rope classes. And cutting my rope is my last thing I would do.We have to invert on some scenarios, work and do what needs to be done And then upright. I will say this. In my class we have to ascend rope and rescue others. Most fail out of the class because there not in enough shape to ascend.
 
The way people attach aiders to their feets is the first scenario that I could thing of that could easily flip u over and have u bound up not allowing u to easily right urself or a blow to the head from a higher branch break and fall or a slip that makes u accidentally headbutt the trunk
 
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barlow96 said:
It’s sad, but I don’t see how someone can invert and then not get themselves fixed back right. I am thinking he died upright from natural causes and they found him hanging upside down. I would like to see the autopsy.
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I disagree wholeheartedly. If you fall the impact force alone could injure you severely enough that you couldn’t self rescue. Or if you hit your head you’d be unconscious. It would be hard to flip yourself back up right while unconscious. Being inverted causes your internal organs to reshuffle which reduces your ability to breath, it can cause heart and circulatory failure. Inverse suspension is dangerous and can kill someone in less than half a day if you’re out alone in the woods and no one is there to find you.
 
This is really sad news. All the best to his family and loved ones.

Please everyone take safety seriously. Risk management is key. Do everything you can to reduce risk where you have control. This includes using gear in spec and only as designed. There is no reason to introduce more risk into an activity which already has enough risks that can't be controlled.
 
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