Tethrd One Sticks Gen 2

[Lucky13]

Junkers in high end luxury box packaging.
Karma is a boomerang.

 

[Plebe]

Junkers in high end luxury box packaging.
Karma is a boomerang.

Lol. Boomerang for sure.

Won't be long before all the happy customers get their sticks back and the story turns to how Tethrd did the right thing and it wasn't really necessary because these sticks are actually super strong and awesome...a few bad apples campaign.

I'd love to know how many don't send them in for testing, that'd be super interesting.

 

[enkriss]

Lol. Boomerang for sure.

Won't be long before all the happy customers get their sticks back and the story turns to how Tethrd did the right thing and it wasn't really necessary because these sticks are actually super strong and awesome...a few bad apples campaign.

I'd love to know how many don't send them in for testing, that'd be super interesting.

I didn’t send mine back for testing.

I sent them turds back for a refund.

 

[Plebe]

I didn’t send mine back for testing.

I sent them turds back for a refund.

Fair enough. You know what I meant though.

But as you mention it, what do you think happens to them "turds"?

 

[enkriss]

Fair enough. You know what I meant though.

But as you mention it, what do you think happens to them turds?

They will be pooped out at discount at teach and trains…lol

 

[bowhuntr09]

They will be pooped out at discount at teach and trains…lol

Fall recovery teach and trains?

 

[Ehlusive]

I’m still a modded LW / Novix user, they get no love!

I can't part with my full length original lone wolfs. Over 10 years old probably 15. I added amsteel ropes before it was cool Many years ago. Za206 on archerytalk sold them, constricter ropes.

 

[iamcorey]

Tethrd is getting roasted on every hunting forum, facebook page, everywhere, why and heck wouldn’t they just post a short youtube video on how exactly they are testing these sticks, what they are looking for, and a brief explanation of the whole situation, nothing cutesy just speak the truth and put some of these fires out, damage is done already…obviously.. but if this was my business I would be communicating a lot better than this, I’m sure the video would set off another firestorm of people judging the whole process but at this point what is there to lose, I’m sure they are not legally obligated to post a video like that, but lets be honest they made a business by exploiting the awesome power of the internet..facebook..youtube..this forum.. one would think if they have any chance of moving forward after this latest debacle some more transparency is needed, but hey what do I know, I’ve only been in business 20 years and see know change in my future..

Roasted? Yes.

Expensive for them? Depends on contracts and root cause.

Good news is that the average attention span is short, and brand marketing with a sprinkle of spin has proven VERY effective in the past. This is but the latest storm to weather for them. Once the carbon platform is released, everyone will be hitting the F5 key waiting for stock to consume. And so it goes…


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[enkriss]

Roasted? Yes.

Expensive for them? Depends on contracts and root cause.

Good news is that the average attention span is short, and brand marketing with a sprinkle of spin has proven VERY effective in the past. This is but the latest storm to weather for them. Once the carbon platform is released, everyone will be hitting the F5 key waiting for stock to consume. And so it goes…


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[raisins]

I got a small carbon fiber splinter in my hand off a broken tennis racket. I still remember the unique pain. No way am I straddling a Tethrd-made carbon fiber platform.

Besides, I'm betting that with some 7075 aluminum that is heat treated after any welding and then some judicious use of fiberglass-reinforced nylon (or similar materials) in areas that aren't structural (like areas that are just for your boot to have traction on) that you could make a platform the size of a Predator that weighs 2 lbs or less. But you might need to take a different approach (maybe design a mild arch under the platform edge, etc).

Weird that it is sand casting or jump straight to carbon (or titanium in the case of the sticks) when it doesn't seem like what aluminum can do has even been approached.

 

[Mopar1169]

I got a small carbon fiber splinter in my hand off a broken tennis racket. I still remember the unique pain. No way am I straddling a Tethrd-made carbon fiber platform.

Besides, I'm betting that with some 7075 aluminum that is heat treated after any welding and then some judicious use of fiberglass-reinforced nylon (or similar materials) in areas that aren't structural (like areas that are just for your boot to have traction on) that you could make a platform the size of a Predator that weighs 2 lbs or less. But you might need to take a different approach (maybe design a mild arch under the platform edge, etc).

Weird that it is sand casting or jump straight to carbon (or titanium in the case of the sticks) when it doesn't seem like what aluminum can do has even been approached.

7075 is considered a non weldable aluminum that is why it isn't used in alot of applications.

 

[raisins]

7075 is considered a non weldable aluminum that is why it isn't used in alot of applications.

Huh...thanks for the info. Can you think of a way to use aluminum to its fullest and get light platforms without resorting to exotic materials?

 

[thedutchtouch]

I am no materials engineer but I find it hard to believe that there's not a composite out there that's better suited to this than carbon. Sure everyone thinks about carbon as light weight, but there's got to be some other plastic or urethane or resin/ester/don't have the right vocab here.... But like why not make a platform out of the urethane that steps are made from?

 

[raisins]

I am no materials engineer but I find it hard to believe that there's not a composite out there that's better suited to this than carbon. Sure everyone thinks about carbon as light weight, but there's got to be some other plastic or urethane or resin/ester/don't have the right vocab here.... But like why not make a platform out of the urethane that steps are made from?

If true, this is super exciting not only for saddle hunting....but everything....super light cars, etc.

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[enkriss]

I am no materials engineer but I find it hard to believe that there's not a composite out there that's better suited to this than carbon. Sure everyone thinks about carbon as light weight, but there's got to be some other plastic or urethane or resin/ester/don't have the right vocab here.... But like why not make a platform out of the urethane that steps are made from?

Cuz for a platform the juice isn’t worth the squeeze. In order to get it structurally sound you will need more material than say a cast version of the platform to be equally as strong. Even though the plastic would be lighter in a 1:1 quantity you might need a 3:1 quantity of material negating any weight saving you were trying to get.

Carbon fiber is particularly attractive because it can be made stronger than other plastics because of the fiber reinforcement. For the most part in simple terms the more fiber content the stronger the item will be.

 

[raisins]

Cuz for a platform the juice isn’t worth the squeeze. In order to get it structurally sound you will need more material than say a cast version of the platform to be equally as strong. Even though the plastic would be lighter in a 1:1 quantity you might need a 3:1 quantity of material negating any weight saving you were trying to get.

Carbon fiber is particularly attractive because it can be made stronger than other plastics because of the fiber reinforcement. For the most part in simple terms the more fiber content the stronger the item will be.

One thing is that standing at the edge of a platform without any other support for the platform (like wire rope, etc) puts a lot of strain on that structure.

If we don't want wire rope on saddle platforms to trip us up, then perhaps we can have a brace underneath (like a treehopper treesuit platform) but make is adjustable to allow for different platform angles. We could also keep the top adjustment screw on the predator and then you'd have support top and bottom. With this support going underneath in an arch like structure, then we might be able to cut some weight (or add it somewhere else?).

All I know is that a LocOn Windwalker being way bigger but only twice as heavy as a Tethrd Predator seems bananas.

 

[n6dlh]

I will be honest, back when the Predator had offset bolts and was cracking, I did not understand all the hate posts. I was not sure if it was just people being haters or just people that like to complain. Looked like a flaw that they were replacing when the issue arise. It seemed that their products were in use everywhere and the Predator Platform was kind of a golden standard. Fast forward to the recall. I waited over a year to get these sticks. I wanted to be sure the kinks from the first generations were worked out, payed top dollar for some sticks that are made in China. Weight being the biggest reason. Back problems will do that to people.

After getting the Gen 2 in, I had 2 in the box with significant lower step wobble. Then 3 days later the recall. I now understand the people that have been saying this for years. I cannot stand companies that have no quality control, and let their customers pay top dollar for the right to be Beta Testers. The fact that they were factory sealed boxes as evident from their shipping requirements when you placed the order means there was no one inspecting them or doing Quality Control once they opened the container. For something like climbing sticks that seems to be a bit reckless.

The only thing I can say is Tethrd did refund me completely, even for the stealth strips.

 

[Mopar1169]

Huh...thanks for the info. Can you think of a way to use aluminum to its fullest and get light platforms without resorting to exotic materials?

They could use 7075 would just have to use bolts or some sort of fasteners to hold it all together. Not sure what the price difference is with it. It is a harder material so machining takes more time I think. It has twice the tensile and 1.5 times the shear of 6061 in a t6 heat treat. It is more brittle then 6061 though. So not sure if it will take flexing like 6061 does.

 

[Lucky13]

I'll put money on the carbon platform being the biggest sheet storm they've ever had... If they actually do their "testing" I doubt it will hit the point of purchase.

 

[Weldabeast]

They could use 7075 would just have to use bolts or some sort of fasteners to hold it all together. Not sure what the price difference is with it. It is a harder material so machining takes more time I think. It has twice the tensile and 1.5 times the shear of 6061 in a t6 heat treat. It is more brittle then 6061 though. So not sure if it will take flexing like 6061 does.

Food for thought.....1x1 square stock 6061 is $11 a foot and same dimension in the 7000 series of aluminum $32 dollars a foot.....