Thanks for the post. I was getting about 1 foot or so per move and I thought I was doing something wrong. I have a new foot loop coming, and that should help alot.
version 0.1 experimental 2TC rappel rig I pieced together and actually demoed in the woods tonight. (I had an alpine butterfly tied below the gri gri and delta link was not upside down). Climbed a limbless slight leaning basketball maple with rough bark just to about 12 ft. Definitely set your tethers on the low side of the tree.
Used some REI accessory cord I had lying around for the long thigh loop prussic, and left the distel there to help as a stop knot. (I usually hunt from it, rappel with figure 8/auto block)
Took awhile to get the hang of it, and get the foot and thigh loops where I wanted them. By the end I was doing 1 foot per move, 2 moves a minute. Not very fast but worth it to avoid dragging sticks,especially since I had to crawl under jagger bushes to access this spot. Other than the grigri, was quiet. As others have said, any more than 1 foot moves , you’re making noise, using too much energy, putting too much slack in the system.
I wanted to stay in the grigri so I could rappel out of dodge if anything went wrong, but will use a tended friction hitch next time, then figure 8 rappel. (I always go back to this) the grigri always wanted to slide down when Unweighted, and noisy as heck.
The bits I picked up from [mention]always89y [/mention] worked great. Got the thigh loop and boot loop. I will experiment with and without these in the off-season, I’m thinking I won’t need thigh loop as I get better on smaller trees.
It was super smooth deploying the ROS from the top of the climb.
Changes will be as follows:
1. Lose the grigri, use the tended distel.
2. Learn to tie a beefier stop knot to hold the delta link, or a rubber washer.
3. Beef up the tether handles like [mention]Redbeard [/mention] setup, or just paracord the tenders.
Goal of this step was to see if this is viable for next season. I think with practice, it will be. Just need a hand ascender, and I’ll be srt preset/2TC next season.
Still pretty new here, so feel free to make other recommendations. Cheers.
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Why don't yall 2TC?
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TommyDee
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Nope. The trick is the little details of managing the tether, and having the confidence to do it with your leg wrapped around the tree. None of the guys explain this in the videos because by the time they shoot the video, they've had enough practice to take those movements for granted. You need to get good at moving the tether up smoothly and quietly, cause you don't want to do more than 12-18", or this becomes unsafe in my opinion. Try it first, then step down and rewatch the YouTube/rumble guys here at the moment of truth, when they stand and wrap the leg.
My current method is 3 heliums with movable black diamond aider, so I'm used to footloops. Important that you've got that toe in the tree. CGM boot loop makes this easier to learn, because it gives you a more comfy stable base while you're fiddling with moving that tether up, while you learn. My guess is that in the summer when I'm not wearing 13 lacrosse rubber boats, and I'm a lot faster at these movements, I'll graduate to a simpler, lighter Footloop
One thing I didn't mention, with the ROS On a pouch on my chest, it didn't impede the blasting through jaggers, nor the climb, I'm getting to the tree, hooking the tow line on the bow, wrap foot tether, wrap main tether, quietly hook 3 biners, and start a quiet, slow progression. Backpack never leaves the back, everything in the dump pouches. I'm not a weight weenie, but a bulk weenie. Very little moving, fiddling, and hanging out at the tree base sorting out sticks and platforms, this is huge for me in a few key spots. At this point I'm 0 for 1, So I'll need to kill something before I'm Fully sold, but looking viable, and should only get easier with practice.
MNFarmHunter
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If you haven't seen it, here's Part 1 and 2 of 2TC videos. Once I can see grass again or can feel my fingers, I'll do another one with passing a limb and possibly self rescue.
2TC-K.I.S.S. Videos: Part 2 can be found in Post #36
Be gentle...this is my first time making and/or posting a video. I've mentioned in the past that I'd put together a video on how I climb 2TC. I'm not going to say that this is the best way but it is the simplest IMO. Part 1 goes over the equipment itself in the comfort and warmth of my home...
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Hey, it'll be warm in Duluth on Thursday.. .about 20F....
Are you northern or southern MN?The cold is my excuse at the moment for postponing my own video. Ill join you in video land in early spring. Plus I'm experimenting with some new techniques while chaga hunting, but in single digits I can't feel my fingers when i get back down.
MNFarmHunter
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@Samcirrus, I'm north of the metro which roughly translates to me being in shorts paddling my kayak while you're still drilling holes in the ice.
TommyDee
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I did, and happen to have the same oplux tether, so it helped tremendously, thanks for taking the time to make it.
I like bigger trees in some spots, so wanted to have legloop, and the boot loop was kind of a “why not+support the community” add on…but that fat boot loop sure is comfy, so no regrets.
Keep up the great work on the videos. I will probably evolve very close to your method as I get better.
This is version 0.2, lost the grigri back to the swabisch, and the real hit is I tied a Celtic knot with a few extra wraps with some spare bungee cord laying around (5mm?) to hold the tether better, works great. Also will shorten the leg loop prussic by 6”. I’ll report in a week or 2 how this works.
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tailgunner
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Maaaaaaaaaaan.......after a decade of using straps you guys talk me into my first rope.side note i did not trust my make **** soft shackle.and for some reason dont think i would relie on a real one eather.feel some unknown happenings could ocure .
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tailgunner
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the michiocon knot only friction hitches one way so you dont need a tender on it to operate it one handed.is there a good reason not to use it
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Use a tiny aluminum non locking carabiner like the ones for keychains as your hitch tender. Easy to clip on and off.
That way you can adjust the rope back up one handed. If you dont have a tender, you'll struggle to move your meech up the foot tether.
That way you can adjust the rope back up one handed. If you dont have a tender, you'll struggle to move your meech up the foot tether.
tailgunner
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if i survive the next season i will tell you if i like it
That knot has me like:
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Looks cool, not sure about it though!!!
tailgunner
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i get that alot
tailgunner
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Not found ,made up
tailgunner
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Michiocon knot would since up to much and was a pain to relieve it.back to a prusic with a tender in a sleve
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tailgunner
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I will ditch the neon green but for now it's all I got
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Yes he posted a bunch of pictures. Search his name it's in "Lightest climbing methods" I believe.
But honestly it's all the basic stuff. He uses his rappel line as a tether.