Safety mishaps per climbing method

[Apex7]

Aiders and sticks are probably the most dangerous . If you don't bury your toe in the tree that's when the aiders can't kick out. When using climbing sticks and aiders a linesman belt is used so if something happens your likely to have some sort of accident be it big or small.

 

[kyler1945]

The internet, summed in the two posts above.

@gcr0003 - see my point?


Edit - even more internet-Y… someone posted before I could, making my statement above incorrect, and moved to the top of the next page.

Referencing posts 79 and 80….

 

[John RB]

No, secured doesn’t equal cinching.

Hey Brocky. Respect as always to you. Is that your opinion or is there a Reference? The Tree Squeeze is choking and advertised as Z133 compliant. I can't find anything that says a non choking lineman's belt is.

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[gcr0003]

The internet, summed in the two posts above.

@gcr0003 - see my point?


Edit - even more internet-Y… someone posted before I could, making my statement above incorrect, and moved to the top of the next page.

Referencing posts 79 and 80….

I stopped following this thread so I haven’t been following along, I read 79-80. What was your point again?

 

[Iron_llama]

Unfortunately, there will be more of these events. And if he was tethered in... then what? If his feet are touching nothing, he's stuck. What if he dropped his phone or couldn't call for a rescue? It's not about our climbing method. There's many ways to climb. All should invilve being tied in, no slack and a line to ground.

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If I recall the post, he rode his linesman's belt to the bottom of the tree, where he was shaken and scraped but substantively uninjured. The cam buckle failed catastrophically, it looked like it disassembled itself under load. Which really has me leaning farther away from stick climbing and closer to 2TC and SRT.

 

[LAKY]

Updated numbers:
Methods tried thread here: https://saddlehunter.com/community/index.php?threads/which-climbing-methods-have-you-tried.54283/

 

[dramsey25]

Updated numbers:
Methods tried thread here: https://saddlehunter.com/community/index.php?threads/which-climbing-methods-have-you-tried.54283/

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Interested in the multi-tether mishaps! If that was your vote please share!

 

[gcr0003]

Interested in the multi-tether mishaps! If that was your vote please share!

This is more a hitch failure than the 2TC method specifically. I was climbing with a new hitch that was very easy to adjust but I found out had a tendency to loosen up over time and slip. I moved my top tether and when I weighted it a little too quickly it started to slip. When hitches start to slip there is no stopping them unless you can take weight off. I quickly grabbed the tether with both hands to take the weight off which slowed the slip down until i could get it to stop. It was quick and I probably slipped three feet down. I set my bottom tether to stand on and clipped into it while I retied a trusted Prusik back on. Something similar happened on a hunt but that’s because my ropes were wet. The good news is that if the hitch slips you have a stopper knot to catch you. Also, I stay with the tried and true prusik most of the time these days for 2TC specifically. It’s the one hitch that has never let me down. It has its quirks but it does the job for me.

 

[BackSpasm]

Updated numbers:
Methods tried thread here: https://saddlehunter.com/community/index.php?threads/which-climbing-methods-have-you-tried.54283/

View attachment 92107

In my opinion, this needs a “percent failure” column too

 

[Brocky]

Hey Brocky. Respect as always to you. Is that your opinion or is there a Reference? The Tree Squeeze is choking and advertised as Z133 compliant. I can't find anything that says a non choking lineman's belt is.

Buckingham TREESQUEEZE™

The New Buckingham/ArborMaster TreeSqueeze™is used for fall restraint and work positioning. This innovative work positioning lanyard, developed in conjunction with the experts at ArborMaster, allows for a secured ascent up the tree giving you all the safety and confidence you need when out in...

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Being compliant doesn’t mean it fills a requirement, the lanyard without the squeeze would be compliant. I asked on TreeBuzz, there is no requirement for a tree squeeze in the Z-133.

 

[kbetts]

Now we go back through and weed out the inexperienced and out of shape.
If you can't do ten pull ups, maybe you shouldn't be climbing.

 

[HuskerInIowa]

In my opinion, this needs a “percent failure” column too

Yeah this “data” doesn’t really give much value in my opinion but if people enjoy doing it and having a discussion more power to them.

Without percentages of mishaps though, which would be near impossible to know since few people document every sit they do every year, it’s probably not going to tell you much other than in most cases the most used methods have the most mishaps. More people had accidents in Hondas than DeLoreans.

Like I said though, anything that helps safety or discussion in that area isn’t a bad thing.

 

[GeoFish]

I need to change my vote. Out today trying different climbing methods. On my Shikar sticks the attachment method came loose. All my fault. On the first stick I came down fast. Hit the ground like a 235 lb. guy can.
All I can say is those Shikar sticks are sharp. Totaled out my coat and shirt. Nice little cut to my upper arm and hand. Going back to 3 LWCG long sticks and 3 Apex steps.

 

[kyler1945]

I need to change my vote. Out today trying different climbing methods. On my Shikar sticks the attachment method came loose. All my fault. On the first stick I came down fast. Hit the ground like a 235 lb. guy can.
All I can say is those Shikar sticks are sharp. Totaled out my coat and shirt. Nice little cut to my upper arm and hand. Going back to 3 LWCG long sticks and 3 Apex steps.View attachment 92255

What do you mean the attachment method came loose?

 

[GeoFish]

What do you mean the attachment method came loose?

Not easy to do. I was trying a daisy wraped like a rope mod and finished with a loop over the versa button. Too much slack in the loop. The daisies I made had large loops, made for a LW versa button. The button on the Shikars are smaller. One second the daisy chain loop was over the versa button the next it was not.
Lesson learned, if you are going to be stupid, you better be tuff!

 

[John RB]

I just self filmed this video Sunday afternoon and just got it produced and uploaded. I had been working on my list for a year based on every piece of information I could find. As it pertains to this thread, I would simply caution that its not really about the climbing method. It's about the precautions we have taken in terms of tying and, managing slack, and mitigating failure modes. For example, even though rope climbing is considered to be fairly safe, not many rope climbing methods can sustain a complete failure of the friction device and not endanger the climber. For example, not many stick climbers can sustain a complete loss of footing and still get to ground with reliability. It's about the details, not the method. Tie in, buy in, and manage Slack.

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[woodsdog2]

I just self filmed this video Sunday afternoon and just got it produced and uploaded. I had been working on my list for a year based on every piece of information I could find. As it pertains to this thread, I would simply caution that its not really about the climbing method. It's about the precautions we have taken in terms of tying and, managing slack, and mitigating failure modes. For example, even though rope climbing is considered to be fairly safe, not many rope climbing methods can sustain a complete failure of the friction device and not endanger the climber. For example, not many stick climbers can sustain a complete loss of footing and still get to ground with reliability. It's about the details, not the method. Tie in, buy in, and manage Slack.

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Great video. As a certified instructor, I always wondered what the national Hunting Related Fall Statistics were on an annual basis. Within the last five or so years, our state has begun tracking Elevated Hunting Safety Incidents in addition to Hunting Related Shooting Incidents which they have tracked for decades. It is harder to track falls related to hunting than shooting incidents therefore I believe these figures are understated most likely. My point? Your information is crucial for lifelong safety hunting at height!

 

[DOMMA]

I have had a few small mishaps declining in the dark with aiders. I eventually moved to using an aider on the first step only and moved to 4 sticks instead of 3. Just last week I missed the 1st step aider in the dark, my final step before hitting ground, and strained my groin muscle. Had my one boot glued to the sharp teeth of a Beast Stick and the other on the ground about 4 feet below.....an uncomfortable stretch.

I think using multiple aiders in the dark is dangerous, I have had a close call or two even when moving slow and being careful.

 

[LAKY]

Updated numbers:

Methods tried thread here: https://saddlehunter.com/community/index.php?threads/which-climbing-methods-have-you-tried.54283/

 

[Brocky]

Being compliant doesn’t mean it fills a requirement, the lanyard without the squeeze would be compliant. I asked on TreeBuzz, there is no requirement for a tree squeeze in the Z-133.

Update on what ANSI requires of arborists: