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safety with autoblock

The little carabiner and cord would also allow you to descend one handed by breaking the hitch first, put the cord in your mouth, and work the handle, while keeping tension on the hitch.
 
Brocky said:
The little carabiner and cord would also allow you to descend one handed by breaking the hitch first, put the cord in your mouth, and work the handle, while keeping tension on the hitch.
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It definitely pulls plenty easy and is every bit as good as an autoblock in my opinion…
While SRT ascending I’ve found that the gri gri will also tend the hitch as it advances so I only add the carabiner during the rappel. It cost me like $3 and weighs nothing.
 
Fl Canopy Stalker said:
I love watching madhunt adventures review videos. Today he released a video telling people to back up their Madrock safeguard with an autoblock on the brake line, attached to the lineman’s loop as we’ve discussed at length, Madrock specifically warns against doing this because it will interfere with the devices ability to absorb force if any type of dynamic event were to occur. I agreed that backing up devices is important but that the safeguard and most likely the gri gri, warn against doing so on the brake line side of the device. I also attached a link to the safeguard instructions. Rather than addressing my comment on you tube the way he did other people’s comments, he deleted my comment instead. I am blown away that you wouldn’t at least want people aware of that warning on your video and maybe edit it to say doing so is at your own risk.
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FL Canopy Stalker,

First of all I want to apologize if i missed a comment from you but most importantly I want to assure you that I NEVER deleted a comment from you. I answer every comment on every video and had I seen a safety concern comment from you I would have responded to you, thanked you, and addressed the concern. When I recently saw the safety concern from "Tommy" I took action and did my research and quickly posted a followup video correcting myself. Again, I apologize if I missed a comment but I don't recall ever seeing one.
 
Fl Canopy Stalker said:
That’s the one… I am a big fan of his videos. He definitely spends time trying things and puts a lot of thought into his content and reviews. If I’m not mistaken he used to get on here and sell off the saddles he bought with his own personal money for reviews. I see 11 comments on the video, but the attached link to madrock’s warnings and instructions that I posted aren’t one of them. I also didn’t see a link to it in the description, but there is a link to the autoblock in the description.
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Fl Canopy Stalker,

I do thank you for your support and again, I don't recall seeing a safety concern comment from you on my video and I certainly never deleted one. I will own my mistakes if I make one, especially regarding safety, and I will never delete a comment even if I disagree with it. Thank you again for supporting my channel. It is much appreciated.
 
MADhunts said:
Fl Canopy Stalker,

I do thank you for your support and again, I don't recall seeing a safety concern comment from you on my video and I certainly never deleted one. I will own my mistakes if I make one, especially regarding safety, and I will never delete a comment even if I disagree with it. Thank you again for supporting my channel. It is much appreciated.
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@MADhunts I appreciate that. Perhaps it glitched or you tube flagged it then since the instructions from Madrock show up as a cdn.Shopify.com document? Either way what’s important is that the information was out there. As I’ve stated I really do enjoy your content and thorough reviews. So many people do a box opening and then hang in the saddle for 5 or 10 minutes to tell people their thoughts. I love that you simulate a short hunt by climbing to height, sitting in the tree and trying adjustments.
It’s also great that your reviews are done independently and unsponsored. Keep up the excellent content and I’m glad to see you’re still checking the forum and addressing concerns!
 
Fl Canopy Stalker said:
@MADhunts I appreciate that. Perhaps it glitched or you tube flagged it then since the instructions from Madrock show up as a cdn.Shopify.com document? Either way what’s important is that the information was out there. As I’ve stated I really do enjoy your content and thorough reviews. So many people do a box opening and then hang in the saddle for 5 or 10 minutes to tell people their thoughts. I love that you simulate a short hunt by climbing to height, sitting in the tree and trying adjustments.
It’s also great that your reviews are done independently and unsponsored. Keep up the excellent content and I’m glad to see you’re still checking the forum and addressing concerns!
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I second your thoughts. One of my favorite Youtube channels.
 
Fl Canopy Stalker said:
@MADhunts I appreciate that. Perhaps it glitched or you tube flagged it then since the instructions from Madrock show up as a cdn.Shopify.com document? Either way what’s important is that the information was out there. As I’ve stated I really do enjoy your content and thorough reviews. So many people do a box opening and then hang in the saddle for 5 or 10 minutes to tell people their thoughts. I love that you simulate a short hunt by climbing to height, sitting in the tree and trying adjustments.
It’s also great that your reviews are done independently and unsponsored. Keep up the excellent content and I’m glad to see you’re still checking the forum and addressing concerns!
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Absolutely, FL Canopy Stalker! Advocating for safety is really important to me, and if nothing else, the auto block/Safeguard safety concern made me realize that I do need to do a little more homework before posting something even if I thought I was doing the right thing. I appreciate you reaching out and clarifying the real concern and then showing a great tip on overcoming the hitch above the device issue. I'll be switching how I run my system now.

Thanks as well for your support on the reviews. It's truly appreciated.
 
The best video I think is Staggs in the wild. One Sticking…The details
 
Fl Canopy Stalker said:
Let me know what you think
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Ok. was able to give it a go today. After several practices I was able to rappel with either a carabiner pulling down my hitch or using the two finger method Canopy Stalker has shown. Overall I'd say the two finger method was easier. I think with some more practice I will be a "above the device" back up guy.

I think I need to change my hitch though. I tried happy hands and a prusik and both are fine unless you test putting your load on them to simulate the back up engaging due to a failure, then they were nearly impossible to release under weight. Next time I'll try the swabish.

I was having so much fun rappelling that after the 10th time or so I forgot to grab my stick when I went by it. Luckily I could just barely reach the bottom of the 3 step aider where I had stopped when I realized I forgot the stick. I had to pull myself up the tree with my arms to retrieve the stick since I didn't have another ascending method with me. lol
 
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GreginPA said:
Ok. was able to give it a go today. After several practices I was able to rappel with either a carabiner pulling down my hitch or using the two finger method Canopy Stalker has shown. Overall I'd say the two finger method was easier. I think with some more practice I will be a "above the device" back up guy.

I think I need to change my hitch though. I tried happy hands and a prusik and both are fine unless you test putting your load on them to simulate the back up engaging due to a failure, then they were nearly impossible to release under weight. Next time I'll try the swabish.

I was having so much fun rappelling that after the 10th time or so I forgot to grab my stick when I went by it. Luckily I could just barely reach the bottom of the 3 step aider where I had stopped when I realized I forgot the stick. I had to pull myself up the tree with my arms to retrieve the stick since I didn't have another ascending method with me. lol
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My hands are a little bigger than most and I find the finger method easy, but if you use the #2 s-biner from Nite ize and light weight paracord the over the top tender is actually easier as long as you get the hitch broke before you start pulling and tending.
The schwabish or Cornell hitch are my favorites. Schwabish is easy to tie but that Cornell hitch works like a charm with 3 or 4 wraps.
 
GreginPA said:
Ok. was able to give it a go today. After several practices I was able to rappel with either a carabiner pulling down my hitch or using the two finger method Canopy Stalker has shown. Overall I'd say the two finger method was easier. I think with some more practice I will be a "above the device" back up guy.

I think I need to change my hitch though. I tried happy hands and a prusik and both are fine unless you test putting your load on them to simulate the back up engaging due to a failure, then they were nearly impossible to release under weight. Next time I'll try the swabish.

I was having so much fun rappelling that after the 10th time or so I forgot to grab my stick when I went by it. Luckily I could just barely reach the bottom of the 3 step aider where I had stopped when I realized I forgot the stick. I had to pull myself up the tree with my arms to retrieve the stick since I didn't have another ascending method with me. lol
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Another cool thing about a back up hitch above your device is if you did forget your stick, you could take the hitch off your devices carabiner, add a second carabiner, run your break line through it like a redirect and use the hip thrust method to SRT up to your stick. So it helps in multiple ways
 
Fl Canopy Stalker said:
but if you use the #2 s-biner from Nite ize and light weight paracord the over the top tender is actually easier as long as you get the hitch broke before you start pulling and tending
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tried this but didn't like it better than the finger method.

Fl Canopy Stalker said:
Schwabish is easy to tie but that Cornell hitch works like a charm with 3 or 4 wraps.
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Not familiar with Cornell but I'll look it up. yeah the issue wasn't if I broke the hitch before I rappelled. it was only breaking it after simulating it catching me due to a belay failure. ie. letting the hitch go intentionally while still belaying.

Fl Canopy Stalker said:
you could take the hitch off your devices carabiner, add a second carabiner, run your break line through it like a redirect and use the hip thrust method to SRT up to your stick. So it helps in multiple ways
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hmmm I hadn't though of that. makes sense, might need to try that
 
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