Just watched your WLR/OPLUX video. Looks a lot less busy. Those sandals though, do we need to take up a collection to get you some Crocs? ;-)
-
The SH Membership has gone live. Only SH Members have access to post in the classifieds. All members can view the classifieds. Starting in 2020 only SH Members will be admitted to the annual hunting contest. Current members will need to follow these steps to upgrade: 1. Click on your username 2. Click on Account upgrades 3. Choose SH Member and purchase.
-
We've been working hard the past few weeks to come up with some big changes to our vendor policies to meet the changing needs of our community. Please see the new vendor rules here: Vendor Access Area Rules
The JRB Climbing Method
- Thread starter arm breaker
- Start date
John RB
Well-Known Member
It would be fun to sit by a tree and see what I could help ya with, but I doubt that will happen. And so if you have questions, ask away. Or if you have a video or pix, that would help too. If there is anything unclear in my videos or missing from them, I would like to know that too. W
You had a hard time with the footloop? Spinning around? You spun around? That isn't possible if you have one foot on the tree, right? Or maybe you but it on the rope backwards and it had a spin in it before you loaded it? Either way, you can take the very same Garda Hitch footloop and learn to use it on an MRS system. It's flawless for me. Learn to use the footloop first.
I have never gotten rope burn in any method I have used and I don't use gloves. If you are using JRB Ascender Hitches with handles, you never even touch the rope. And so it's not clear how this could happen.
Did you watch this video of Caila's First Climb? Are you able to do what she did?
One more thing I need to mention as a public service announcement: If you are building/assembling a new JRB system, it's important to make sure the climbing rope and the friction hitch cord are compatible with each other and suitable for the application. When a person makes a poor selection and pairs incompatible products for an application, they can have a bad injury or worse. Here's a case in point:
Cautionary tale...truth
This was my first season hunting from anything like a saddle. I used a DIY sitdrag and a Slomo style platform. 75' of predator rope and I was climbing drt style. But I discovered I am terrible with a throw bag and line so I ordered a climbing stick and tried one sticking to get my line up the...
saddlehunter.com
John RB
Well-Known Member
Thank you and I agree entirely that we need to choose our rope / cord combination correctly, and that for most friction hitches, the cord should generally be about 75% of the rope diameter (there are exceptions for specific knots though). I also appreciate the reminder that our lives are on the line.
With all respect to that climber, I only read the OP, but I feel that there was a LOT going wrong with that setup, and I don't think any of it had to so with the cord/rope combination. He was rappelling on a Figure 8 and a Prussik, but also mentioned an Autoblock. None of that would be in my rappel system. I have NO USE for a standard Prussik. It binds too tight and can get too loose when we loosen it. He was also experimenting on a hunt. We should never climb on anything we haven't fully and carefully tested out. There is too much to ask and say... If we want to discuss that thread, I suppose we should do it on the other thread.
John RB
Well-Known Member
This is a really good question. Unfortunately, my answer is no. When i submitted my first knot to the IGKT, I did make a detailed document for the JRB hitch and it took a lot of time, with images and text descriptions. In the end, everybody seemed to prefer just pausing a video.
And so, do you think this is something I need to do? Like on my website? I am warning ya, I might not get to it for a little while as I am really slammed with a lot right now. Not to mention, trying to find time to check and rotate couple dozen cameras through a bunch of different properties in different counties and locate myself a BRUISER!!!!
Bowmanmike
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- Dec 15, 2019
- Messages
- 1,265
I didn't find your Playlist confusing,but there is a lot of material there, which is great. I had no problem tying knots from your video instructions,I sure did have to pause and replay but no surprise when you are learning something new. I am very excited for my 2nd season of jrb climbing and I am practicing some now to get my shooting practice from elevation in. I want everything to be smooth when Oct. 1st rolls around.This is a really good question. Unfortunately, my answer is no. When i submitted my first knot to the IGKT, I did make a detailed document for the JRB hitch and it took a lot of time, with images and text descriptions. In the end, everybody seemed to prefer just pausing a video.
And so, do you think this is something I need to do? Like on my website? I am warning ya, I might not get to it for a little while as I am really slammed with a lot right now. Not to mention, trying to find time to check and rotate couple dozen cameras through a bunch of different properties in different counties and locate myself a BRUISER!!!!
John I got frustrated trying to tie your knots on the videos. I'm a little ADD when it comes to that stuff and get frustrated easily. You spent to much time talking about un related stuff to the actual knot tieing process, and then jumped thru the next step. My annexity jumped and then I got frustrated.
I do better with picture of simple short video. So I just tied a few Michoacan knots to see if I liked the method or not. I got the rope burn messing around with something else.
I like bigger rope so the garada hitch is harder to wrap thru the biners. Picking your self up with your foot like that takes some balance. It's not a motion Im use to and im top heavy. So I was wobbling back and fourth. I'm sure I could iron a few things out. But don't have endless hours to spend practicing with it. I'm also done spending money on hunting for the year. So it's gonna get moved to the back burner until next year. I am good with climbing a MRS for this season. I'll take a look at again in the spring when I have more time to experiment.
- Joined
- Dec 20, 2019
- Messages
- 330
[mention]John RB [/mention] Big fan of the system. Been getting dialed in over the summer and ready to go for this season but one last contingency to work thru….
Have you done any testing with simulated weather that you can share - ie I ascend during dry conditions for a hunt then sit in 2-3 hrs of light rain - any issues? Any rope combinations that do better with Midwest rain/snow?
Tried to search thread and didn’t see this addressed.
Thanks!
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Have you done any testing with simulated weather that you can share - ie I ascend during dry conditions for a hunt then sit in 2-3 hrs of light rain - any issues? Any rope combinations that do better with Midwest rain/snow?
Tried to search thread and didn’t see this addressed.
Thanks!
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
- Joined
- Nov 1, 2018
- Messages
- 8,054
Carry a tether and use it during the rain or snow. Then pull out your JRB rope when you want to come down. No reason to weather your ropes for no reason. Keep the rope in your bag. My 2 cents.
John RB
Well-Known Member
Sorry for the delay but i am getting NO notifications anymore and I seem to have em turned on.
Before hunting season, i would typically do a test where i put my climbing rope in a bucket of water with tiny bit of scent free soap and let it sit overnight and the next day, rinse and climb when still wet. When i used a Bachmann or Michoacán, it caused me to add a wrap. I repeated this test last year on the 523 JRB Ascender and it was fine. If ya ever experience a slip on a hunt, it will be a really slow creep, not a sudden release. There is time to react.
Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk
John I think my favorite is the running JRB hitch with the release capabilities. I think everyone should be using it!
- Joined
- Apr 14, 2020
- Messages
- 1,556
I like it alot as well but when it comes to using it as a final pull down/rappel knot I much prefer the regular JRB hitch because that way you don't have to pull your whole retrieval line up through and over any branches you may have passed!
John RB
Well-Known Member
I just got us a discount! 10% off at RockNArbor.com with the JRB10 discount code!
Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk
Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk
Mule Packer
New Member
- Joined
- Aug 16, 2022
- Messages
- 5
Yeah us. Thanks John.
What are you guys using for rope for the hitches on RescTech? I tip the scales at 270, if you were building a system from scratch what rope/etc would you choose? Should I go with something other than RescTech?
I am using 6mm TRC on Resc tech and oplux.
Like BTaylor, I also use 6mm Sterling TRC hitch cord with 8mm Teufelberger Rescue Tech climbing rope, but I weigh 185 lbs without gear. If your mind is made up to go with 8mm climbing rope, that’s what I would recommend.
At 270 lbs, however, I’d consider upsizing my climbing rope to 11mm - especially if that’s your body weight, not your “fully loaded with gear” weight. I’d look at Sampson Predator 11.4mm climbing rope, used in combination with Yale 8mm Bee-line friction hitch cord. I don’t think you can get it at Rocknarbor.com, but you can take a look and use discount code “JRB10” for 10% off if they have it.
I know that WesSpur.com stocks Sampson Predator and Yale Bee-line. Discount code “NYSH” takes 10% off your order at WesSpur.com. (At least, it always used to … I can’t say for sure if it’s still an active discount code.)
At 270 lbs, however, I’d consider upsizing my climbing rope to 11mm - especially if that’s your body weight, not your “fully loaded with gear” weight. I’d look at Sampson Predator 11.4mm climbing rope, used in combination with Yale 8mm Bee-line friction hitch cord. I don’t think you can get it at Rocknarbor.com, but you can take a look and use discount code “JRB10” for 10% off if they have it.
I know that WesSpur.com stocks Sampson Predator and Yale Bee-line. Discount code “NYSH” takes 10% off your order at WesSpur.com. (At least, it always used to … I can’t say for sure if it’s still an active discount code.)
John RB
Well-Known Member
Some of the bigger guys are saying that 6mm on 8mm is fine and some are preferring 7mm on 9 or 10mm. 8 on 11 is fine too but it's getting a lot more bulky to thread thru the crotch. 7mm Sterling is my favorite cord and it's available with the discount at RockNArbor. If you already have 8mm rope, you can use Sterling 7mm cord on it. It bends very well and i have tested that combination
Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk
The thought has crossed my mind to get a larger diameter rope, but looking at specs Predator is rated at 6000MBS and RescTech is rated at 6525MBS. The difference in weight per 100’ is double. I know there is a perception of more strength on the thicker rope but if MBS numbers are to be believed apparently that’s not the case.
This is the kind of info I’m looking for, so thanks for the response. I do have a 75’ Predator rope, maybe I’ll just get some Bee-line and give it a try. I don’t currently own any RescTech.
- Joined
- Nov 1, 2018
- Messages
- 8,054
Biggest issue I think you’ll find with the predator is that you’ll need to use large carabiners for the Garda hitch. Other obvious problems are bulk and weight.
I used about 80ft of rope last year and was able to get in every tree I wanted. Sure there are cases where you could run out of rope but remember that’s going to be at crotches around 38’ foot or so.
One concern with smaller ropes outside of strength would be smaller diameter means less hitch touching the climbing rope, when you get down to 8mm main and 6mm cord that can make a significant difference in how many wraps you may need for a given hitch to properly hold the additional weight. I think you will find JRBs new hitch variation a good fit if you do decide to go to 8mm for several reasons. The doubled over rope is one of the reasons you can use such small diameter rope so well.
A couple of points with JRB and JRB hitch from my perspective.
1. remember since you’re climbing two ropes, each hitch is only holding half your weight. So imagine a 135 lb person climbing each side, that’s not much at all!
2. you can add or remove wraps on the JRB hitch as needed to get your optimal friction. John shows how to tie these variations in his videos.
3. The way the non-binding hitch variation is routed you have two ends both in basket per side. So whatever your 6mm line is rated to is times 4 since there are four lines.
4. The non-binding variation should not bind on you regardless of your weight. This can be a problem for basic hitches since more weight means the harder the hitch grabs. I think this concern is significantly mitigated because of the non binding variation hitch and because your weight is shared by the two ends of the doubles over rope.