BJ, search Ultra Light Climbing Method 2.0 sir.I searched for 2TC on Saddlehunter and ran up against the 3 letter limit on searches.
I searched directly on Duckduckgo by typing "2TC site:saddlehunter.com" to get all the results. No quotes when searching.
Who's going to remember all that?BJ, search Ultra Light Climbing Method 2.0 sir.
This is perfect buddy. Thank you. Yep... like you said, I've had the best success with smaller, controlled movements.My thoughts after less than a month into 2TC with backyard climbs/descents and no rappel. Assembling gear for the rappel though I find the descent easy enough and I may not rappel, we'll see.
@Red Beard & @always89y videos as well as a few messages was all I needed for instruction & gear assembly.
My first few climbs/descents were with @always89y amsteel DIY main tether. I later tried my lineman's belt and found the stiffer rope easier to move up & down the tree plus I feel more comfortable being tethered with it; more weight & bulk but I'll accept that tradeoff.
I got glove material caught in the tether on my first attempt. Zip Ties or other devices for moving the main tether is a must for safety.
I had my foot on tether kick out once while descending and that was a little exciting but I knew I wasn't going anywhere since I was tethered in. I use short movements now which I believe reduces effort, gives me more stability, & my foot remains in the foot tether which I feel is a plus; slow & steady works for me.
2TC, Saddle & ROS will be my method for some Elk sits this Fall because it works and I can transition to spot & stalk with less bulk if I encounter Elk on my way in.
Thank you @Red Beard & @always89y for the videos & tips!
So I tried 2 TC once years ago after Scott Adkins showed it. At the time, I tried without a leg loop and it didn't go well. I was a sweaty and tired mess by the time I was 6 feet off the ground.
I intend to try again with a leg loop, but there are a few things overall that I consider cons from what I've seen from the various videos.
Unless you have the tether handles, you have to put your fingers between the tether and the tree when advancing the tether. I'm not a fan of this when standing on the leg loop. Perhaps I won't feel as unstable when I try with a leg loop, but it is still a concern. I also hunt some larger and rough barked trees, which makes advancing the tether difficult in many cases. I'd like to figure out a way that you could introduce some rigidity to the rope so you could advance it one handed after loosening the girth hitch. However, that could present more of a safety risk if the tether has a tendency to stay open.
Finally, I see rappelling down as pretty much a necessity for ease and also should you need to make a rapid descent as the bee example above highlights. I have a GriGri+ that I use for SRT already, but the rope I use for SRT is 75 feet of 10.5 mm. The device accommodates down to 8.5 mm, so I could get a shorter length of 9mm or something to use. However, I tend to hunt the same parcels and try to pick trees ahead of time, so doing presets for SRT often makes more sense for me.
So I like the idea and I think there is a lot of potential there and appreciate the information you have shared. Yet, like every climbing method I've tried so far, I see some significant challenges and downsides.
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This is absolutely what I was hoping to understand. Thank you!Can we get a weight check on this system? I would include rapel gear as I don't think it would be desirable to climb down this way.
I'm guessing we are talking in the 3-4 lb range given the rapel rope and the safeguard. Maybe I'm over? Water bottle holder?
I find this idea very tempting, but since I don't already rappel, I've got to sink $150-200 (rappel rope and safeguard, plus misc components) into an experiment whose benefit might be limited to 1-3 lbs and some packability (over sticks).
I guess those are my real barriers as I think about this more. Moderate marginal cost to try something I might or might not like, and limited, if tangible, marginal benefit. I do hate packing sticks though, and the idea of just having my hang on stand and small pack on my back is very enticing.
On a slightly leaning tree I find it easier to climb from the bottom side. You really have to use your leg hook to draw you close to the tree. Exactly like you said, I feel more likely to have a kick out on the high side.Have you guys found it easier on a slightly leaning tree to be on the top or the bottom. I've done both and it seems easier to balance for the move on the top side but more risk if you would lose your balance. What have you guys found?
Fourth, I think the first impulse is to adjust the leg band and bridge Prussics that you can’t get enough distance from the tree to easily unload and move the foot tether.
This is a dead on description. Thanks WV Mountaineer.I just started fooling with this a month or two ago. Here is what I’ve found.
First, climbing rope versus amsteel blue made moving the tethers much easier. Amsteel really grabs the tree and hangs up on bark and such.
Second, a leg band is a great add on. I tried it with out and had a hard time staying away from the tree without it. Making moving my foot tether harder.
The third things is, you have to have the main tether with your leg band and shortened bridge adjusted correctly. Meaning enough pressure on the leg band to give stability. Then adjust you bridge tether that it just starts pulling tight as you load the leg band with your weight.
Fourth, I think the first impulse is to adjust the leg band and bridge Prussics that you can’t get enough distance from the tree to easily unload and move the foot tether.
Fifth, for me to easily move the foot tether, I had to have it connected to my foot versus removing it every time. The time savings was incredible.
And finally, climb with knee pads on! It makes all the difference in the world.
Then, you just got to practice. Then practice more.
FWIW, anyone who says they think the two tether system isn’t fast, is totally uninformed and hasn’t tried it. I am not very quick at it. However, Scott Adkins has a video where he tethers in, climbs 20 feet, climbs down and unhooks in 3:41. Nothing out there is that fast.
So, tie that foot tether to your foot. Use climbing rope if amsteel isn’t your thing
Adjust everything properly before leaving the ground, use a leg band, and practice. It’s easier then any method. And, Trust your saddle and load it up while climbing if you get fatigued.