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Saddle Death… Stay safe out there.

Beacher said:
Slightly off topic... is there an SH acronym thread? If not, one is needed!

(Not completely off topic because there are a lot flying around in here :grinning:)
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FML…. Where to begin.
JRB is the initials of a guy who created his own rope system and is promoting it as saddle hunter specific. It combines a rope being doubled over a crotch and then advancing up it using hitches in a fashion similar to stationary rope techniques.
RADS rapid ascent /descent system… a form of SRT that uses mechanical devices for leverage and positioning that allows a quicker climb and rappel than hitch climbing on a moving system or hitch climbing a stationary line with a rope wrench assist.
SRT single rope technique which is not only rope walking but rather a broad category that cover many different ways to ascend or descend using a stationary single rope.
DRT for trees is usually Ddrt doubled rope technique. It’s a single rope that is doubled over a crotch and used in a moving rope fashion as one side goes up, the other is pulled down. Lol any other acronyms you want discussed?
 
HuumanCreed said:
Funny you should mention that, I think John of JRB made one a few weeks ago! Argh...I posted against my promise.
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I stand corrected @gcr0003 started the list. Credit to you sir.

Saddle Hunting Acronym Working List (Input Needed)

As the title suggests, I would like to gather as many acronyms as it relates to saddle hunting. My goal is to compile the inputs into a working list, available for everyone, especially new folks like myself. Please reply below with a acronym followed by the words spelled out. If you're feeling...
saddlehunter.com
 
Fl Canopy Stalker said:
FML…. Where to begin.
JRB is the initials of a guy who created his own rope system and is promoting it as saddle hunter specific. It combines a rope being doubled over a crotch and then advancing up it using hitches in a fashion similar to stationary rope techniques.
RADS rapid ascent /descent system… a form of SRT that uses mechanical devices for leverage and positioning that allows a quicker climb and rappel than hitch climbing on a moving system or hitch climbing a stationary line with a rope wrench assist.
SRT single rope technique which is not only rope walking but rather a broad category that cover many different ways to ascend or descend using a stationary single rope.
DRT for trees is usually Ddrt doubled rope technique. It’s a single rope that is doubled over a crotch and used in a moving rope fashion as one side goes up, the other is pulled down. Lol any other acronyms you want discussed?
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That helps. Thank you. My exposure over the last 12 months has been pretty much exclusively NY Saddle Hunter which drew me into this. Before that, I had experience rappelling in college. My dad was a lifelong forrester and could likely write a book on safety but definitely not current on the current lingo and that has been a barrier to discussing in depth.
 
Weldabeast said:
When I used a hang on and harness I climbed with sticks and my Linesman's just like when saddle hunting. I attached the stand when on my last stick just like with a platform and saddle, attached tree strap and tether on the harness just like I do with my tether and bridge saddle hunting, step onto stand or platform with linesman and tether/harness... double tied into the tree....I don't see much difference between hang on and saddle as far as setup and safety with a slight advantage going for saddles...they very similar except minor little things... There was a small learning curve with the saddle vs hang on but it wasn't much.... Climbers gotta be the most dangerous IMO.....I never did it or saw anybody else advance the tree strap/tether as they climbed....everybody just wears the harness while climbing with the stand and hooks up the harness after the climb is over and u at hunting height
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I was guilty of not using a harness while climbing with my climber. Basically It all comes down to how you were taught as a youth. If your mentor never used a safety harness it was never on your radar. I always felt safe climbing with my climber and never thought about the what ifs. I am 37 years old and the guys that taught me hunting never knew themselves or cared about climbing risks / safety. That's why this group is an amazing resources for hunters. Its groups like this spreading education and awareness that can and will save peoples lives. I know for a fact that since I made the switch to saddle hunting and always making sure I am attached to the tree with as little slack as possible I am doing my best to make sure I am being as safe as I can be.
 
Beacher said:
That helps. Thank you. My exposure over the last 12 months has been pretty much exclusively NY Saddle Hunter which drew me into this. Before that, I had experience rappelling in college. My dad was a lifelong forrester and could likely write a book on safety but definitely not current on the current lingo and that has been a barrier to discussing in depth.
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The volume of names for different methods and systems is getting out of hand :sweatsmile:
What did guys do next? Climb with two tethers? 2TC oh no another acronym lol
 
WISCO said:
I was guilty of not using a harness while climbing with my climber. Basically It all comes down to how you were taught as a youth. If your mentor never used a safety harness it was never on your radar. I always felt safe climbing with my climber and never thought about the what ifs. I am 37 years old and the guys that taught me hunting never knew themselves or cared about climbing risks / safety. That's why this group is an amazing resources for hunters. Its groups like this spreading education and awareness that can and will save peoples lives. I know for a fact that since I made the switch to saddle hunting and always making sure I am attached to the tree with as little slack as possible I am doing my best to make sure I am being as safe as I can be.
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I didn't have a mentor....I just bought a climber and winged it. I had a harness for when the climb was complete... Not for while climbing... That was a pain in the butt advancing the strap and never did it even thought I knew I should. I was much safer with a hang on and safer now with the saddle system. I've done lots of sketchy stuff and lived to tell but the most unsafe I've felt was using the climber....
 
I am a newbie so forgive me if this has already been discussed at length. If someone got stuck and suspended like Dane, how could you use your lineman's rope to stand up and unweight the saddle?
 
Maine Hunter said:
I am a newbie so forgive me if this has already been discussed at length. If someone got stuck and suspended like Dane, how could you use your lineman's rope to stand up and unweight the saddle?
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See post #27 in this thread, and the link it provides to the instructional thread. In it, @raisins outlines how to use a daisy chain for the purpose you describe, but you could do the same with a lineman belt ... you're just forming a girth hitch at each end.
 
Fl Canopy Stalker said:
FML…. Where to begin.
JRB is the initials of a guy who created his own rope system and is promoting it as saddle hunter specific. It combines a rope being doubled over a crotch and then advancing up it using hitches in a fashion similar to stationary rope techniques.
RADS rapid ascent /descent system… a form of SRT that uses mechanical devices for leverage and positioning that allows a quicker climb and rappel than hitch climbing on a moving system or hitch climbing a stationary line with a rope wrench assist.
SRT single rope technique which is not only rope walking but rather a broad category that cover many different ways to ascend or descend using a stationary single rope.
DRT for trees is usually Ddrt doubled rope technique. It’s a single rope that is doubled over a crotch and used in a moving rope fashion as one side goes up, the other is pulled down. Lol any other acronyms you want discussed?
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Sorry..I know I said I was done...but this is it..

Anyone who creates a climbing method, promotes it, and names it after themselves is a tool, far from humble(as a knowledgeable guide should be) and only looking for recognition/monetary value in what they're doing. Screw that, people can die.
 
Prudent advice for anyone hunting from trees, this text comes from the instruction manual for a Hunter Safety System (HSS) full body harness. I believe the advice is equally applicable when using a saddle. An extra tether, lineman belt, daisy chain, or versa strap can be used in a similar fashion to provide relief if you're unable to climb back onto your platform or ROS (or to descend). That extra strap, however, must be ON YOUR PERSON and READILY ACCESSIBLE at all times when you're off the ground. Having it buried in your pack or in the pocket of the jacket or vest that you removed when the day warmed up won't do you any good if you can't get to it.

Here's the excerpt from the HSS harness safety manual:

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USING THE SUSPENSION RELIEF STRAP
1. A one-inch strap is provided with your harness to be used ONLY as a suspension relief strap. This MUST be on your person and easily accessible when using the harness. WARNING! NEVER use this or the loop located at the rear, bottom of the harness as a means of securing yourself to the tree.

2. Practice at least one self recovery or suspension relief method while near ground level and in the presence of a responsible adult.

3. If you fall and must hang for extended periods of time while waiting for help to arrive, the suspension relief strap can allow the user to relieve the load on the lower extremities when suspended in the harness and help maintain circulation in the leg thereby mitigating suspension trauma (blood pooling).

4. While hanging, take the strap from your pocket (WARNING! keep this strap with you and easily accessible at all times) and attach the metal clip to the loop found at the rear bottom portion of the harness. Adjust the strap to a length that will allow you to step up onto it and stand thus relieving pressure on your body caused by hanging.

5. You should never hunt without the suspension relief strap; however, if you drop or lose it, be sure to move your legs often while hanging to maintain a good blood flow. In addition to the suspension relief strap, always carry a screw-in step in an easily accessible pocket that can be screwed into the tree and stepped onto to relieve suspension trauma.

6. Always keep an emergency signal device such as a whistle, small air horn and a cell phone or personal locator beacon in an accessible pocket at all times so that you can contact someone for help.

7. Warning! In the event of a fall, DO NOT PANIC! Put your practiced self recovery plan into action, ie suspension relief, self recovery, or other means of rescue.

8. Note: Several optional products/systems are available that offer self-recovery or self extraction from a fall when suspended in a harness. Some systems automatically descend the user while others allow control. One of these product/systems can be considered for use as an additional safety precaution against prolonged suspension and suspension trauma. Be sure to follow the manufacturers' directions on the safe use of these products/systems.
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Vtbow said:
Sorry..I know I said I was done...but this is it..

Anyone who creates a climbing method, promotes it, and names it after themselves is a tool, far from humble(as a knowledgeable guide should be) and only looking for recognition/monetary value in what they're doing. Screw that, people can die.
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He sure makes a lot of money selling those free YouTube videos and forum/Facebook posts with all the info you could ever need in them. :rolleyes:
 
So origonay I'd assumed that having your saddle up over your center of gravity would prevent an inversion, but clearly not.

I guess my next question here would be- would it not be safer to have a harness clipped above your tether point such that if you slipped you'd end up in a hammock position? Tink of like those back tests but a single tether point coming off the center of your chest.
 
Vtbow said:
Sorry..I know I said I was done...but this is it..

Anyone who creates a climbing method, promotes it, and names it after themselves is a tool, far from humble(as a knowledgeable guide should be) and only looking for recognition/monetary value in what they're doing. Screw that, people can die.
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Whatever, don't act like you're not intrigued by Nutterbuster's Patent-Pending, 5th generation Nutt-Bustin' Tree Stiks.

It's kinda like your daddy's standard tree stick, but made from 1/16" architectural-grade aluminum and attached to the tree with paracord tied in Nutterbuster's Patent Applie For No2Low Slip FrikTON Htch.

They weigh less, because you weigh more!
 
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