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Time frame at this point is uncertain because I have no idea what goes on at the patent office. All I know is its a waiting game. And Eric you are the first of many skeptics I am sure. As with every other product out there, this will not be for everyone. But I think for many it will change the game and that's what I am going for. Originally I built this for myself with no intention of marketing anything but after using it a few times of course I caught some eyes and started getting asked where they could get one or if id make them one. That's when I decided to look into getting it available to everyone. What I have working to my advantage as far as time right now is that its past the idea stage and its a real life functioning piece of equipment that could be sold as is. It does not look home made. I had everything machined from CAD files I created and shipped to me and I built it in my garage. So that was a big part of it that I took care of myself without even knowing it.
 
Please don’t let me or anyone else discourage you.
I’m not saying it can’t be done. Your details just leave out all of the “how”.
I already one stick. I can get 20’ on the initial climb without aiders. The downside is it’s 20lb and you have to pin the five four foot sections together before you can attach it to the tree.
 
I currently one stick with a modified LW stick and would be highly interested in your product. If it allows you to get to 20’ in 2 minutes I’m sold already.

Currently on average I’m taking 20 + minutes to get to around 16’ or so and be hunt ready.

Are you allowing for the use of a lineman belt in between interations? Or just sliding the tether up as you go?

Using the linesman belt slow me way down, but guess it’s safer. Depend on what risk you allow yourself to take.
 
A cross between a climbing stick and seat climber

My guess.
Sounds great. I will test to see if it safe to use in Canada

One sticking would be easier if I did not have to remove it from the tree on each move
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Time frame at this point is uncertain because I have no idea what goes on at the patent office. All I know is its a waiting game. And Eric you are the first of many skeptics I am sure. As with every other product out there, this will not be for everyone. But I think for many it will change the game and that's what I am going for. Originally I built this for myself with no intention of marketing anything but after using it a few times of course I caught some eyes and started getting asked where they could get one or if id make them one. That's when I decided to look into getting it available to everyone. What I have working to my advantage as far as time right now is that its past the idea stage and its a real life functioning piece of equipment that could be sold as is. It does not look home made. I had everything machined from CAD files I created and shipped to me and I built it in my garage. So that was a big part of it that I took care of myself without even knowing it.

Have you paid patent attorneys to do a prior art patent search? Did you have all of the people who you exposed the product to sign NDA’s?

Assuming both of those boxes are checked, and the searches didn’t return anything that would narrow the scope of your patent so much as to make it worthless, and your idea doesn’t exist in the public sphere, you’re looking at a handful of months for patent application to be received and achieve the PP status.

Are you just doing a US patent or international? Now that you’ve put yourself onto the internet with the idea, you’ll likely have folks from foreign lands watching, with little care for your US patent.

What I’m curious of, is how you can sell enough to make enough money to cover costs of patent applications, attorneys fees, insurance, etc. let’s say you charge 200.00 conservatively(I can’t imagine anyone paying more than that), and it costs you 50.00 to make it, add in all that overhead, 15.00 for shipping, and maybe you make 100.00 a pop?

Selling a few hundred probably gets to close to break even on startup costs, not considering your time. Maybe 1000 of them pays a second person to handle order taking and shipping. It’s a really small niche market you’re going after - a common issue with startup businesses.

I guess what I’m saying, is you like us enough to spend all your free time making our lives easier? If so, bravo! But you could end up there just as easily by making the product and sharing it with your people, with way less money, risk, and effort.

If you’re just securing a patent and selling the intellectual property, it’s slightly less risky. But all return really goes out the window.

I’m sure you’ve though through all of this stuff. Securing a patent doesn’t offer full protection either. I’m curious to learn what kind of team you’re employing to draw up the application. They are not all equal and you do get what you pay for.

All this goes out the window if you truly have a ground breaking 0 to 1 type product. You’ll sell thousands of them and be paid handsomely. My advice would be that if it is this type of product, delete this thread, delete your account here, have everyone you know sign NDA’s(even your mom), and keep your mouth shut until the patent application has been received. Loose lips sink ships.


Good luck, I’ve got my popcorn ready!
 
Kyler1945 makes valid points. Guy I worked with came up with a mount to carry a golf bag on a harley. He filed for patents and got them(big money). He said he would not do a patent if he had to do it again. Said the patent simply gave the idea to the world and companys re-engineered his idea and made theirs slightly different and undercut him. Sucks, but thats the world we live in. Lots of people will take your ideas, and if its a good one, its peanuts for a big company to make a knock off.
 
as Ken and Kyler mentioned about patents, I've been involved in patents and waste of time
while your waiting for a patent your wasting valuable time and you may not get it in the end

Marketing is everything
You can have a fantastic product poor marketing and do so so

Someone comes along with a sub-quality product really do some great marketing and out sell you every time
Patents, unless you have some really ground breaking technology that will make millions upon millions for the masses are not worth it for a narrow niche product

Not trying to tell you how to do your business
but you should go to market ASAP and market and market some more
today it is about marketing not patents unless your selling to the MASSES

But sadly the facts are with how the internet works and technology available to the Chinese
you will shortly be out sold with a much cheaper product
Wild Edge steps is a prime example the Chinese and the Russians are selling knock-offs on eBay

I personally was put out of business in less than a month by a company with deep pockets with knock-offs

Good luck with your project
 
That’s why I asked earlier who your working with. Be very careful working with a patent company.
A gentleman in the archery/hunting industry gave me great advice much like was listed earlier in this thread. TAKE YOUR PRODUCT TO MARKET you can not afford to protect your patent. Unless it’s to the masses it’s not worth it. This person that gave me this information has many items he sales in this industry and none are patent protected. He does very well for him self and chances are if you hunt you use one of his products.
Good luck and I hope it works out for you.
 
That’s why I asked earlier who your working with. Be very careful working with a patent company.
A gentleman in the archery/hunting industry gave me great advice much like was listed earlier in this thread. TAKE YOUR PRODUCT TO MARKET you can not afford to protect your patent. Unless it’s to the masses it’s not worth it. This person that gave me this information has many items he sales in this industry and none are patent protected. He does very well for him self and chances are if you hunt you use one of his products.
Good luck and I hope it works out for you.

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you can't afford to defend a patent against deep pockets in a narrow niche
saddle hunting is a very very narrow niche
 
Hey and your target market is a mostly loyal bunch who will mostly buy from you even if the competition is slightly cheaper.
If there is competition
Unless your market is industry wide
The main stream hunting companies have stayed out of the saddle hunting market so far. It may be the same for your innovation
I bought Infalt sticks and made my own. I bought his sticks to support him. And turns out I like his sticks better even though they weigh more.

If your idea is good I will be a loyal buyer
If it can be duplicated diy it will happen anyways

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Hey and your target market is a mostly loyal bunch who will mostly buy from you even if the competition is slightly cheaper.
unless you go out of stock :(. If it's a good product that can be an issue. Standards are pretty high (so almost-good products won't gain traction here), but when something works really well supplier capacity tends to be exceeded.

If you know your product is great, maybe forecast high. If it's not quite there, proceed with caution.
 
not to beat a dead horse

but two examples stand out on how competition eats away on your reach

wild edge steps have knock offs on ebay from russia and china (good luck trying to defend yourself against those knock-offs)

on the hunting beast a discussion about stealth strips and a sound silencing tape being sold on the internet
the stealth strips have a loyal following just like wild edge steps
the competitor has some slick marketing using sound tests against the competitors vs theirs
If you haven't read or followed the conversation it's over at The Hunting Beast forum

all food for thought, Good Luck
 
And I tried to buy the wild edge stepps (out of stock). Tried to buy used here multiple times (sold in minutes for full retail price), and finally gave up and got some primals as a stopgap. Bring a good product to market and people will support you, as long as you Can keep it in stock
 
I appreciate all the input. Thanks a lot guys. And the market for it is bigger than just saddle hunters even though its what it was designed for. Anyone who uses a climbing stick would benefit from it and it will be an upgrade from LW, Muddy, Hawk, etc. Not bashing any of those companies because I own good products from all of them but, my item is superior in its capability and is more user friendly. Kyler, Im not sure you totally understand the process and the many options you have when standing up a product. As I stated before, my goal isn't to become filthy rich from the product. My goal is to get it out there and to make it affordable to hunters who need quick access to their set ups or who would like to employ a different technique like one stick climbing. Will it take time, money, and work on my end? Sure will. But creating a situation where everyone benefits is possible. Look at what Beast Sticks has created. He seems to be doing pretty well. And there will always be companies and individuals who create knock offs. It happens on here all the time. I think its more important to focus on what you CAN control and make educated decisions.
 
I appreciate all the input. Thanks a lot guys. And the market for it is bigger than just saddle hunters even though its what it was designed for. Anyone who uses a climbing stick would benefit from it and it will be an upgrade from LW, Muddy, Hawk, etc. Not bashing any of those companies because I own good products from all of them but, my item is superior in its capability and is more user friendly. Kyler, Im not sure you totally understand the process and the many options you have when standing up a product. As I stated before, my goal isn't to become filthy rich from the product. My goal is to get it out there and to make it affordable to hunters who need quick access to their set ups or who would like to employ a different technique like one stick climbing. Will it take time, money, and work on my end? Sure will. But creating a situation where everyone benefits is possible. Look at what Beast Sticks has created. He seems to be doing pretty well. And there will always be companies and individuals who create knock offs. It happens on here all the time. I think its more important to focus on what you CAN control and make educated decisions.

If your goal is to get it out there and make it affordable to hunters, why are you securing a patent? The best way to get it into all of our hands quickly and in it's best form is to put it in the public sphere immediately and let all actors exert their influence on its design and pricing.

Also, if you're comparing yourself to Dan Infalt, who IS his brand, and corners his share of the market based off of his prestige, you may be aiming a little high on your ability to influence purchase. His sticks would sell for cost plus some small margin if he wasn't Dan Infalt...

I don't think for a second that you saying I don't understand the game is meant to be insulting. So I won't take it as such. However, your lack of response to the very specific questions and points I raised is sort of why I even typed anything. You seem like a nice enough fellow, and I always give the benefit of the doubt, and want to help out. I have a significant amount of exposure to "the game" in regard to patents, especially from the legal side of things. And I understand well enough the outdoor products industry, like any other, to grasp how the two are related. But, I think you've made a couple of key mistakes in starting this thread. I hope they don't influence your path forward too negatively. I also hope what I'm perceiving as naivety is just poor translation of what you are trying to say/do through internet words.

If you're not here for help, and just want to toot your horn, I also think that's a mistake that will cost you potential business, but toot away. We love our new stuff around here! Hell I'll probably buy it just because you ponied up the time and effort to throw your hat in the ring.

This just seems like an odd way to introduce groundbreaking innovation to your core market...
 
So as stated in the beginning of the thread the intention of this post was to gain information based on opinions and feedback of a group that I am a part of going off of the items capabilities. I have not disclosed any specifics on the design, look, or how this item does what it does. Am I excited that I created something that could make things better and easier for other hunters and aid in the progression of the sport? Of course I am. But coming onto a forum to brag about something I haven't even marketed yet is hardly my intentions. So Im sorry you took it that way. Based on the feedback I have received throughout the course of the thread it seems that there is a need and want for a product like this and that is the confirmation I was hoping for. And I used beast sticks as an example of how starting something small that benefits others is possible, not that I am important as an individual.
 
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