Climbing stick FOR saddle hunters

[Jefferson10940]

I think it is awesome that you have taken your idea to an actual product and are trying to get into the public's hands. I look forward to seeing it. I wish you nothing but luck

 

[Ontariofarmer]

I am excited to see what you have developed. If I can climb that fast one stick I am in.

 

[kyler1945]

So as stated in the beginning of the thread the intention of this post was to gain information based on opinions and feedback of a group that I am a part of going off of the items capabilities. I have not disclosed any specifics on the design, look, or how this item does what it does. Am I excited that I created something that could make things better and easier for other hunters and aid in the progression of the sport? Of course I am. But coming onto a forum to brag about something I haven't even marketed yet is hardly my intentions. So Im sorry you took it that way. Based on the feedback I have received throughout the course of the thread it seems that there is a need and want for a product like this and that is the confirmation I was hoping for. And I used beast sticks as an example of how starting something small that benefits others is possible, not that I am important as an individual.

How much does the prototype or version you currently use, weigh?

What is the packed up/undeployed size?

Main material of construction? (no need to get specific, steel or aluminum is plenty enough information)

When you say the hunter can be 12' off the ground in one "set", with the use of an aider, is that his head or the bottom of his boots?

For the above question - how many step aider to achieve the 12'?

How high can a 5'10" person get?

Will the user at any point be completely off of the piece of equipment (hanging from their saddle or harness)?

Will the user have the ability to silence the system ?

 

[Slingpredator06]

How much does the prototype or version you currently use, weigh?

What is the packed up/undeployed size?

Main material of construction? (no need to get specific, steel or aluminum is plenty enough information)

When you say the hunter can be 12' off the ground in one "set", with the use of an aider, is that his head or the bottom of his boots?

For the above question - how many step aider to achieve the 12'?

How high can a 5'10" person get?

Will the user at any point be completely off of the piece of equipment (hanging from their saddle or harness)?

Will the user have the ability to silence the system ?

Undeployed size - less than a foot long
12 feet off the ground means bottom of boots for an individual that is around 6ft (Im 5'11'') with an aider of the same height
The system is silent as is but anything can be modded

 

[rutjr]

Of course it sounds interesting. Good luck with it!

 

[SheddingLightTravis]

Haven’t tried the one step method yet but I would be interested if the price was right. I have a set of millennium lite sticks. They are way too long and cumbersome. I ditched them 3 weeks ago when my father in law found spurs in his basement. So yours being small is a plus. If it’s only an extra pound I’d probably consider it. Thanks!


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[Slingpredator06]

I want to thank everyone for all the feedback both positive and constructive. I am excited to get a climbing system out there that surpasses all others in versatility. The beauty of the system is that it can be used in many ways. There is no right or wrong way to use it. I believe that climbing sticks are like guns and are largely shooter preference when it comes to employment and that is the idea that the product is centered around. It makes one stick climbing very rapid and multi stick climbing lightning fast with minimal effort. As far as the process, the stage I am in right now I am barely a novice. I am still learning how getting it out there works. The comments I have received from kyler and the others who have been there and done that are noted and I have some questions for the company working the issue right now about different avenues of approach. Obviously, I am no one special and do not have unlimited funds so if there is a cheaper faster route that doesn't require an expensive patent but still keeps the product safe from being blocked out by another entity then I am in. The gratification I'd receive from enabling other hunters to do what they do more efficiently far exceeds anything that cash could do for me. Again, thank you everyone for your input.

 

[Slingpredator06]

Haven’t tried the one step method yet but I would be interested if the price was right. I have a set of millennium lite sticks. They are way too long and cumbersome. I ditched them 3 weeks ago when my father in law found spurs in his basement. So yours being small is a plus. If it’s only an extra pound I’d probably consider it. Thanks!


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Glad to hear it brother

 

[kenn1320]

I appreciate all the input. Thanks a lot guys. And the market for it is bigger than just saddle hunters even though its what it was designed for. Anyone who uses a climbing stick would benefit from it and it will be an upgrade from LW, Muddy, Hawk, etc. Not bashing any of those companies because I own good products from all of them but, my item is superior in its capability and is more user friendly. Kyler, Im not sure you totally understand the process and the many options you have when standing up a product. As I stated before, my goal isn't to become filthy rich from the product. My goal is to get it out there and to make it affordable to hunters who need quick access to their set ups or who would like to employ a different technique like one stick climbing. Will it take time, money, and work on my end? Sure will. But creating a situation where everyone benefits is possible. Look at what Beast Sticks has created. He seems to be doing pretty well. And there will always be companies and individuals who create knock offs. It happens on here all the time. I think its more important to focus on what you CAN control and make educated decisions.

Not sure why youd need a linemans belt while one stick climbing at all but not with this product youll just need to be tethered in. And with this stick you can be at 16 feet in two iterations no issue in no time.

Im a bit confused. How would non saddle hunters use this if they need a tether when they typically dont have one and use a lineman to climb?

 

[DanielB89]

of the people who you exposed the product to sign NDA’s?

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as Ken and Kyler mentioned about patents, I've been involved in patents and waste of time
while your waiting for a patent your wasting valuable time and you may not get it in the end

Marketing is everything
You can have a fantastic product poor marketing and do so so

Someone comes along with a sub-quality product really do some great marketing and out sell you every time
Patents, unless you have some really ground breaking technology that will make millions upon millions for the masses are not worth it for a narrow niche product

Not trying to tell you how to do your business
but you should go to market ASAP and market and market some more
today it is about marketing not patents unless your selling to the MASSES

But sadly the facts are with how the internet works and technology available to the Chinese
you will shortly be out sold with a much cheaper product
Wild Edge steps is a prime example the Chinese and the Russians are selling knock-offs on eBay

I personally was put out of business in less than a month by a company with deep pockets with knock-offs

Good luck with your project

Might I ask what you were selling?

 

[Gamover06]

Interested BUT I have been around the hunting forums long enough to know most times threads like this fall flat. Most of the time we never see the game changer idea and when we do it only changes the game for very select few. I wish you luck but odds are low that it will change the game but I also hope you prove me wrong.

 

[Slingpredator06]

if your one stick climbing, a saddle or a rock harness is required just like with the same old sticks right now. Its the mounting hardware that speeds the process up and enables you to gain more ground per iteration without the typical 3 ft up 1 foot down that occurs when one stick climbing with the sticks out there now.

hang on stand hunters benefit from the speed and ease of use by using just two sticks that can achieve 20-22 feet depending on the hunters height and ability to reach. This design is not magical or outlandish. it is very common sense and it works like a charm every single time. It doesn't matter if I use it or you use it the same results are achieved.

I could hand you one right now and in less than 4 sentences tell you how to assemble it, mount it, and employ it and you would be able to do so flawlessly

 

[Slingpredator06]

Interested BUT I have been around the hunting forums long enough to know most times threads like this fall flat. Most of the time we never see the game changer idea and when we do it only changes the game for very select few. I wish you luck but odds are low that it will change the game but I also hope you prove me wrong.

Unfortunately that is true. But most don't have a prototype let alone one that could be sold and used as is. I have used this extensively and I would never buy another stick.

 

[huntmore]

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Might I ask what you were selling?

I've sold multiple types of products from software to hobbies
and everyone of them marketing was the critical part
patents for me did not protect me from competitors infringing upon me
look at it this way you get a huge company like Proctor&Gamble who put me out of business for one of my businesses
challenging them made no sense, just because of their size and resources
the only people who win generally are lawyers and the entity with the deepest pockets when it comes to the little guy trying to make a living

 

[Slingpredator06]

Interested BUT I have been around the hunting forums long enough to know most times threads like this fall flat. Most of the time we never see the game changer idea and when we do it only changes the game for very select few. I wish you luck but odds are low that it will change the game but I also hope you prove me wrong.

I built this stick from the ground up. Everything on it was designed and assembled by me. There no parts on it that are from another companies sticks. Everything from the steps, tree brackets, shaft design, mounting and takedown hardware are all original and came from my CAD designs. I think the fact that its an original, existing, functioning, almost fail safe piece of equipment that far exceeds the versatility, speed, and safety of todays sticks will help it get going.

 

[Slingpredator06]

I've sold multiple types of products from software to hobbies
and everyone of them marketing was the critical part
patents for me did not protect me from competitors infringing upon me
look at it this way you get a huge company like Proctor&Gamble who put me out of business for one of my businesses
challenging them made no sense, just because of their size and resources
the only people who win generally are lawyers and the entity with the deepest pockets when it comes to the little guy trying to make a living

Yes and a valid point was made that I don't have the funds to battle over patent infringement. That is one thing that I will bring up to the company.

 

[DanielB89]

One thing i've learned around here is although these guys may come off harsh, they actually have your best intention in mind. I remember when the first predator broke and people were giving stiff reviews and opinions. Although it wasn't all roses, it was all honest and for the best of the company.
@Slingpredator06 , I hope your product is awesome. If so, there is no doubt it'll take off. I can also assure you that even if it is the coolest thing since sliced bread, it'll still be critiqued and modified by this brilliant group of guys. I will also defend them and say that you're not the first guy to come by with the new "latest and greatest" equipment. Forgive them(us) for being slightly skeptical. Keep us in the loop. Next time you bring it back up, be sure to share the idea with us with pictures.

Good luck!

 

[DanielB89]

I'm guessing this is going to be a stick that is extendable. It'll be able to be broken down into 3 small sections with a pin that'll be slid in to hold it all in place.

 

[Slingpredator06]

One thing i've learned around here is although these guys may come off harsh, they actually have your best intention in mind. I remember when the first predator broke and people were giving stiff reviews and opinions. Although it wasn't all roses, it was all honest and for the best of the company.
@Slingpredator06 , I hope your product is awesome. If so, there is no doubt it'll take off. I can also assure you that even if it is the coolest thing since sliced bread, it'll still be critiqued and modified by this brilliant group of guys. I will also defend them and say that you're not the first guy to come by with the new "latest and greatest" equipment. Forgive them(us) for being slightly skeptical. Keep us in the loop. Next time you bring it back up, be sure to share the idea with us with pictures.

Good luck!

Daniel, I am holding no grudges against anyone for anything said in the thread. Honestly, if I was the creator and haven't used this thing and someone came on here saying what Ive said I probably wouldn't believe it either. I fully expected criticism and Im not on here to blow smoke or act like something Im not. I honestly just wanted to list the attributes of the product to see if they were appealing to fellow hunters. Especially if I have to sell this outta my garage because it would be terrible to place a huge order for components just for no one to take interest. I honestly don't care about making a killing on the product. Sure everyone wants more money but if that were my objective I probably wouldn't invent or improve a hunting product. As for modding the product, I hope people do buy it and mod it if they can find a way. I love to mod things just like the next saddle hunter. There is no end all be all product for every single person and I realize that. And this product is not an exception. What the product does do is it solves a few common problems and complaints having to do with climbing/packing/set up time. I appreciate the no bs honest feedback. It keeps things realistic and grounded.

 

[redsquirrel]

@Slingpredator06 here is my thoughts. I don't mean anything negative by this, just my opinion and I wish you luck and hope it works out. We've had quite a few threads like this lately. Ultimately the problem is that you can't post enough information to let people give you real opinions without giving your idea away. So all we are left with is a tease and all you are left with is the frustration of dealing with people who really just want more information. I hope that you have picked up some information in this thread that can help you move forward and I look forward to seeing what you can bring to the market.